Why do liberals want to ruin our healthcare system?

Question

Out healthcare system has a TON of problems... I am not disputing that... and it need a lot of work to get us on track again.

But why do Liberals think that socializing it will fix the problem? Hillary's plan in the 90's forbid people from seeing a doctor of their choosing... even if they paid for it themselves. Big government has never fixed anything.

Socialized healthcare has failed everywhere it has been tried. It results in people dying because the line to get care is so long...

What will be different about any plan currently proposed, that will prevent the kind of massive failure we have seen in EVERY other country on this planet that has socialized medicine?

Why don't I have a RIGHT to choose what doctor I see, and how I pay for it?

Again, I agree that we have problems in the present system... but I dont see how our government can get it right... they dont have a very good track record for getting much of anything done right.

Answer 1

Well, it certainly is nice to see that some one else has a sense of what is going on. Hillary's plan was nothing but socialism, which is not good for any one or anything.
Of course, people are unwilling to stand up for their beliefs, so who is really to blame? Most people have come to believe that if we throw enough money at a problem, it will be fixes. Look at public school vs. home schooling: public school comes out way behind.
Most doctors are only "average"; until they can make all doctors "superior", only a few will get "superior" health care.
Keep telling every one your views. It's time others hear it.

Answer 2

the first answer to this question site belgium as a great example of how socalized healthcare is better than here in america and gives an example from is little baby being born to such great care. He compares belgium to the usa. Is he kidding? belgium has a population of what. Do you think the same system would work over here dude? We have tons more people than belgium. Lets look at some other places who have socialized healthcare. I canada i know a person who had to go to the emergency room after a fishing accident. The nurse had to clean off the table because they had just used it to do surgery on a PIG!!! no joke. Castro flys out of cuba to get his surgrey done. Tons of ladies sneak of the the USA to have their babies. Is that cause they have such great healthcare over there? America has 300 million poeple you think the same plane that works in belgium would work here? That guy is a joke.

Answer 3

Your question is loaded with assumptions that do not stand up to facts.

Americans who think that we have the best healthcare system in the world need to get their heads out of the sand and recognize that we may have a lot to learn from other countries. One of the biggest lies perpetrated by politicians who constantly cite "We have the best healthcare system in the world" either don't know what they're talking about, or they're being bought off. Stop accepting the simplified rhetoric that we've got to protect our healthcare from being "socialized." Do a little research and learn that many other countries are doing much better in serving their publics than we are.

I don't have a solution to healthcare, but I know that we need to start learning from other countries' healthcare systems. You can use the oversimplified excuse that Dems simply want to "socialize" medicine, but many countries in Europe have excellent healthcare systems that are "socialized" or at least more closely monitored or regulated by the state than in the U.S.

Example: My wife and I gave birth once in Belgium and once in the U.S. In Belgium we could easily afford additional sonograms which cost about $40 each (simply to use a big machine that only used electricity). In the U.S. the same thing would cost us over $300 and the quality of the sonogram was lower. And our insurance refused to pay for an additional sonogram without any negative indications. Well, in Belgium the delivering doctor had a very good idea of the size and weight of our baby from a sonogram taken only a couple of weeks before birth. In the U.S. the last sonogram (and only second of two sonograms permitted by insurance) had been four months before birth. As a result our U.S. doctor really had very little idea of our baby's size and weight. Therefore, my wife spent a good hour "pushing" to get a much larger baby out and causing herself and the baby possible damage. If the cost and insurance issues were like in Belgium, the doctor would have known that the baby was simply too large to come through her cervix. But instead she pushed and pushed without any knowledge that it was all in vain. As a result she had to go to an emergency C-section. This could have been a scheduled C-section if she'd had a more recent sonogram and the doctor had better information.

The hospital care in Belgium was excellent and came with a standard 5 days in the hospital. All together, the entire childbirth cost us less than $4000, for worldclass and professional care 24 hours a day.

In the U.S. however, the entire hospital stay of 4 days (they wanted us to leave after 3-- AFTER the unscheduled surgery for a C-section) cost around $12,000. The quality of care was lower, and the nurses and hospital administration were poor. Among many other problems, were our baby being left unwashed or changed in the nursery, a post-circumcision diaper change by a nurse which could have caused him severe permanent damage (luckily it did not in the end), and a record-keeping snafu which resulted in my wife going unnecessarily without pain killers following her surgery for a 6 hour period.

You tell me which system worked better? The U.S. "non-socialized" or the Belgian "socialized" system.

By the way, we had the right to chose our doctor in Belgium, how we could pay for it, there was no "line" to wait for care, and the Beligian "big government" has a pretty damn good system. Many other European countries have similar systems with a better quality of care offered to all of their citizens.

Do everyone a favor and please, get out of the intellectual laziness of assuming that what you're told by a certain political party (or any political party) is true and go learn about it for yourself. In healthcare as in many other areas we could stand to learn a few pointers from other countries. That doesn't mean we should dump out some excellent U.S. practices -- It just means that like any person, organization, or country, we don't have all the answers.

Answer 4

actually, statically, most western social health care systems save more lives than our system does...

so, you're little "people dying in lines" is pretty far off base from reality in most cases... granted it happens from time to time, but it does in America as well... organ transplant lists and things... and most lists that I've seen have America down on the list on providing health care overall, behind many socialist nations...

and some plans may include doctor choice... that's really a very small detail in the whole issue overall...

and if you have a right to choose your doctor, wouldn't there be an inherent right also to have doctor, which many people don't at all...

thanks for the propaganda... but can you provide cites for your accusations...

and what do you propose we do about it... because the conservative answer so far is... "let the uninsured die and stop complaining"... liberals are ready to listen, but you have nothing to say...

Answer 5

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Answer 6

i do not believe in socializing the health care system, but at list
something that middle class which supposedly they say it is back bone of the country, can afford to buy some sort of medical insurance.

middle class is dissolving, going toward to become poor.

well rich is rich, and poor people have better things as far as
getting help from government, but middle class who their income is on border line can not go any where, they can not get help from government and surly all of them leave on pay ck to pay ck .

now weather we call them liberal, conservatives, lefty's or rights, or from moon or Mars none is helping for what most of us right now need. security

Answer 7

It is time to do something and since there are millions of Americans who can't afford any health care that outweighs your need to pick and choose yours. The repair you speak of might be a compromise between choosing and being told who to see. People need health care in this country and the Republicans have had plenty of time to fix it and have done nothing except take money from the insurance companies and take advantage of the American people.

Answer 8

They want the votes of the mindless and poor. You are an independent thinker and resourceful; such reckless cowboy mentality is a threat to their socialist agenda. The thought police will be coming for you soon. They will wonder why you speak heretical freedom doctrine. The inquisition is coming.

Answer 9

Because they are the spiritual progeny of the communist system which though that the government should be our provider!

Answer 10

They think they will be getting it for "free." It will be one less responsibility for them and one more reason for the government to take care of them. Our World renowned Health Care will go down the toilet.