I do not know if the Way International Biblical Research,Teaching and Fellowship Ministry can be called a "Church". But as a group of followers of the lord Jesus Christ we (I am a participant in "Church in the Home" fellowships affiliated with the Way International) do not believe that The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (who is the only "True God") and Jesus Christ are one and the same. In John 10:30 the word "one" means "one in purpose" not the self same one. In John 10:30 one is the greek word "hen" meaning one in purpose not "heis" which is the "self same one" used in 1st Corinthians 14:27. Hen if I remember from reading "Jesus Christ is NOT God" correctly
is neuter and "heis" is masculine.
And who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Gethsemine,himself? Of course not! He was praying to God His Father. The book "Jesus Christ is NOT God" explains it well and uses many more examples and also goes into the scriptures like John 1:1 and 2 that so many use to try to convince you that God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
I know people who are Jehovah's Witnesses and they too believe that Jesus and God are NOT one and the same. I trust that this can get you started on your research. Excellent question :)
2007-05-26 12:18:52
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answered by Libertarian 2
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Well you are definitely not a JW, as your other open question is about a myspace account, and their Circuit Overseers have sent down the knowledge that people of Jehovah should have nothing to do with myspace. (per a Q/A in my profile that I answered).
The trinity concept is present throughout the bible. There are MANY references. JWs will tell you how pagan it is. They don't realize that believing in a god and a God is pretty darn pagan.
Research for yourself before you decide on ANY religion. Ask for the Holy Spirit to show things to you.
Trinity example..... see my profile.
Compare these three scriptures that refer to the same incident:
Isaiah 6:1-10 Isaiah sees and hears the Father.
John 12:35-45 John says Isaiah saw Jesus.
Acts 28:23-27 Says the Holy Spirit talked to Isaiah.
Please email me, as I can show you this in many more scriptures.
2007-05-26 12:11:24
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answered by ~♥Anna♥~ 5
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Millions of Christians do not believe in the Trinity. The assistant pastor of a Methodist congregation in San Antonio does not believe in the traditional Trinity.
Millions of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide are ardent believers in ALL that Jesus said but do not believe in the Trinity.
The word Trinity is not in the bible and was not taught among early Christians. Even Jesus said that "The Father is greater than I". Jesus prayed to Almighty God and there fore realized God was a separate entity. How can people feel Jesus prayed to Himself? It is dificult to believe that anyone has studied the scriptures and read the complete Bible and could still feel that Jesus and Almighty God are the same person. There is no mention of Almioghty Jesus in the Bible.
At one point Jesus said "My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me?" How can anyone actually say that means "Myself, Myself why hast I forsaken Me?" Surely people must realize that if they accept the bible Jesus is who Jesus said he is and that is the Son Of God.
2015-01-04 08:59:48
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answered by doyalhowell 1
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You have made the mistake of using the term "Trinity" and thus you will never get a straight answer.
As far as I am aware, every single Christian denomination in the universe, save maybe Jehovah's Witnesses, believe in the concept of a "Trinity." (With apologies to Rynok and free2bfearless who are obviously Mormon and claimed they didn't believe in the doctrine of Trinity. I'm not trying to put words in their mouth. I'll explain momentarily.)
The doctrine of Trinity is simply that there are three personages that make up the divine nature (aka the Godhead.) Trinity just means "Tri Unity." All Christian religions believe in this. And the Bible very much very clearly does teach this.
In addition to what is taught in the Bible about this "Trinity" is a number of non-biblical doctrines to further explain it that differ by religious tradition.
Catholics and Protestant traditions add the notion that this Trinity is "one of substance." This may or may not be viewed as a physical substance. Usually, when talking with knowledgeable Catholics and Protestants, they will openly admit that the Trinity is indeed three separate personages. Since this is what was taught in the Nicene council they acknowledge this correctly.
Unfortunately many Protestants and Catholics are confused about their own doctrines and they have made the mistake of falling into the heresy of "modalism." This is the idea that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three manifestations of a single personage. People that have fallen into this heresy will say things like "Well, God is like steam, water, and ice. He can take different forms." This is modalism, not the doctrine of Trinity. This heresy was specifically condemn by the Council of Nicene as well as by the early Christian father's before that council.
Now, getting back to my friends, the Mormons. Both of them denied that they teach the doctrine of Trinity. But note that Rynok isn't actually denying the doctrine of Trinity, he's denying modalism. As is often the case, Mormons have talked with Protestants and Catholics that believe in modalism and have mistaken it for Trinity. Thus Rynok accidentally believes that Trinity and modalism are one and the same.
In fact, the Mormon Church does teach the doctrine of Trinity, every bit as much as Catholics and Protestants. Mormons believe in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, that are all one God (though they prefer to use the term Godhead to differentiate themselves. Most Mormons don't realize that Godhead simply means "divine nature.")
However, Mormons, who reject the authority of all creeds, reject the notion that the Trinity are "one of substance" as the Nicene Creed states.
Mormons, on rare occasions, will also sometimes speak of three Gods. While this is pretty rare (Mormons prefer the idea that the three personages together are so unified that there every action and desire is always the same, and thus they are one God) you can find some exceptions. While Catholics and Protestants take exception to Mormons wording their beliefs this way, it should be noted that the very same early Christian fathers that Catholics and Protestants believe in, also had such similar explanations of the Trinity. For example, the highly revered second century Justin Martyr said to Trypho, “That there both is, and that we read of, another God and Lord under the Creator of all things...” when referring to Jesus. Likewise the venerated Eusebius (one of the signers of the Nicene Creed) says the following about the Father and Jesus: “...so that the Anointer, being the supreme God, is far above the Anointed, he being God in a different sense...” So those that take exception to the way Mormons speak of the Trinity should think carefully before casting stones lest they end up cutting off some of their greatest heroes in the process.
(Please note that Mormons do believe that Jesus is fully divine. They do not accept the idea that the Trinity not being “one of substance” some how “splits the substance” and thus makes Jesus less divine than the Father.)
Lastly, the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jehovah is God the Father and that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. I believe they do see Jesus as “Godly” and thus maybe even “divine” in some sense. However, they do not believe Jesus is as divine as the Father.
So when you say that you don't believe in the Trinity, I'm going to assume that what you are really saying is either that you don't buy modalism or you don't buy the additional information about the doctrine of Trinity as explained in the Nicene Creed. (i.e. “one of substance.”) If this is the case, then you actually have three Christian options left: 1) Eastern Orthodox (they don't accept the Nicene Creed either), 2) Latter-day Saints (Mormons), or 3) Jehovah's Witnesses.
However, if you also believe that Jesus is fully Divine, then your only options are the first two.
2007-05-27 09:39:01
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answered by BryanN 2
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There is not a Christian Church that does not believe in the Trinity. There are oneness Pentecostal churches and Jehovah Witnesses and their schismatic offshoots who are Arian which is an ancient heresy. Jehovah Witnesses claim to be polytheist. BTW, the Trinity is the only understanding of the nature of God that can be understood by Scriptures. Arianism is definitely not biblical.
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
2007-05-26 12:11:40
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answered by cristoiglesia 7
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God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit are one They are what the Catholics call "the Holy Trinity", God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit THe term Trinity is not used in Scripture but the inference is clear
2007-05-26 12:06:56
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answered by †Lawrence R† 6
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Actually the word trinity is not used but it what trinity means which is true. One God in three person. Yes there are pentecostal groups that do not believe in the Trinity and some independent groups. There are many verses that will support the trinity, I suggest you do a little more research on the subject before you decide. Some snake handlers are anti tritarian.
2007-05-26 12:12:26
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answered by turtle30c 6
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Actually, the Trinity concept is in the Bible. The word may not be, however.
Think about the baptism of JESUS.
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Unless you understand this passage to be some sort of ventriloquism act, there are three entities mentioned in these verses.
Seek the truth and NOT a church that will fulfill a specific teaching.
GOD bless
2007-05-26 12:08:52
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answered by Exodus 20:1-17 6
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The Trinity is all over the Bible just not the word.Sorry and the J.Ws are probably the dopiest Cult there is.You'd be better off at a "Oneness Pentecostal Church" They are just like Assembly of God except no trinity.But you are very ,very, wrong my friend .You really need to study on it and not live by opinion.
2007-05-26 12:06:18
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answered by AngelsFan 6
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My church believes that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are not one substance, but that they are one in purpose. We believe that they each have different roles. Heb. 1:2 "Who (Jesus) being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his (God's) person...". We believe that they have entirely seperate roles. Jesus was the mouth of God while he was here on earth, and is now mediating in our behalf in heaven. The Holy Spirit is what connects heaven and earth and reveals to us the will of God. God the Father is in heaven and is directing everything that happens, and holds everything up by his power.
Unfortunately, we are not an established church, and there doesn't seem to be very many people that believe like us, even within our church. Sorry.
2007-05-26 12:13:31
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answered by Anonymous
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