How far back do we go to determine who was here first? Shouldn't we go as far as science dictates?

Question

Illegal alien supporters yell that the American Indians were here first. However, there is proof that Kelts (Irish, Scots, Welsh etc) were here as early as 500 BC. American Indians descended from Asians, the similarities between the two races is too great to ignore. So, they came here from somewhere else and overcame the Kelts. Did the Kelts overcome the phoenicians? There's proof they were as early as 1500 BC.

Then we hear of the immigrants at Ellis Island. They suffered hardships to be documented and legal.

American ancestors (race not withstanding) came to America when there were no laws against it, in fact, it was their job to settle America. They came here not as thieves in the night, disobeying the law. There was no form of government and no federal programs to help the first settlers get by. They lived by their own hands and built the USA. That's a contrast to illegal aliens. Why would your first action of finding a better a life be an illegal one?


Opinions?

I meant no disrespect to the Native Americans. They were lied to, cheated, herded like cattle and told to live with it. True. But I had nothing to do with that.

While all that was wrong, just as selling people into slavery (or buying them) is wrong, could the American Indians survived as they were in today's world? And would the descendents of the Africans be living in famine and disease? It's not really ours, today, to judge the rights and wrongs of our anscestors. We should learn from their mistakes and all try to be better people. And obeying the law is the very basic thing we can do.

Answer 1

My opinion, no offense, is that it is irrelevant.

We got our land the same way every country on earth got its land.

THEN we built the schools, hospitals, economy, infrastructure and subsidized the services that make what is north of the Rio Grande different from what is south of the Rio Grande.

And because their better life is at our expense, WE get to say how many and who can come.

And we already give between one and two MILLION immigrant visas a year, more than any other country in the world, and more of those to Mexicans than to people from any other country in the world.

Answer 2

Yep and that would be originally hunters and gathers tribes from Asia......The orginal settlers were sent and financed by a British company to find land and natural resources....While its true there was no establish govt., they did take the land which was inhabited by the Natives....The Indians were no match to the iron power (guns/rifles) of the British....I guess what people argue is, that you are saying illegals are taking your country, when in fact the same was done to the Natives....They didn't freely give the land.....What you term a job, to settle America, was viewed very differently from the Natives, they saw it as an invasion.....Its pretty cut and dry to me.....

Answer 3

Well....if science hasn't escaped me there's a theory we were all one land mass and catastrophic events seperated it. NO ONE knows for POSITIVE 100% about much of anything. So......going back to which came first....the chicken or the egg.....doesn't get any more relevance to me than whether I'm serving breakfast or dinner. What matters is the "here and now". I am not responsible for what some distant ancestor did 1000's of years ago. You can't go back....only LEARN from it. The whole "who did what" is insane. Oh my....we can't send "anchor babies" back with their PARENTS because they aren't to blame for the mistakes of their parents........but these nim-rods want to make me PERSONALLY responsible for something a FEW "white" people did ions ago. Whether MY actual ancestors were responsible or not. INSANE. Totally and utterly INSANE! Here and now is all that's really important. "What's done is done." "No use crying over spilled milk." I could name a ton of sayings that apply......"can't handle the heat? Get out of the kitchen",,"can't do the time, don't do the crime". " If everyone was jumping off a bridge would you?" "2 wrongs don't make a right". "want in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first"."the way to hell is paved with good intentions" "ignorance is no excuse for the law"........

Answer 4

Natives came in about 3 to 4 waves from 20,000 to 36,000 BC, 3 from asia over the Bering strait ice bridge and one from Ice Age Europe...the Clovis Point people. But that doesn't answer your question, how far back do we go. DNA tracings place mankinds ancestors froma group of 2,000 somewheres in n. africa. Since we're all distant cousins from that one small group, somebody had to be first somewhere....so what the problem is?

Answer 5

Opinions? You make a great point about how ridiculous these arguments are. In fact, the evidence indicates that our species was born in Africa, so if someone really wants to take this to its ultimate conclusion, *everyone* would have to go back there to make things fair.

Addition: What about people of mixed ancestry. If, for example, someone is half German and half Apache, do we send half of that person back? Or do we send them halfway back, which would be somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean?

JMB

Answer 6

I agree with most of what you say. But if we went back as far as science dictates, we could be in a world war of verbal arguments on who owns the United States. As far as I' concerned, legal residents have the right to it now, wether you black, white, mexican, or asian. If your a legal resident, its your right to liv a free life. It isn't a right for anyne to do it illegally.

Answer 7

beautifully said.

good argument against people who use the Indian card.

what i would like to know is what a true Indian thinks about this illegal immigration problem. not people who assume they know what Indians are thinking. and I'm talking about the ones on reservations. not the oh I'm 1/8 Indian.

Answer 8

Northern Asians crossed into the American continent 35,000 years ago. 15,000 years ago, they had arrived to the southernmost tip of South America.

Phoenicians might have arrived here in tiny numbers, as a consequence of a storm, about 3500 years ago. Vikings about 1100 years ago.

Answer 9

sure I do. now and back I pay attention approximately scientists who say which you cant clarify some issues with out believeing theres a God. technological information has each and every thing to do with God ...He created this universe....why wouldnt it have each and every thing to do with Him?

Answer 10

All that matters is today's laws. Anyone who doesn't like our laws should leave the USA.

Mexican Americans love waving the Mexican flag, so they belong in Mexico.