Why shouldn't Bush and Cheney be charged with war crimes?

Question

This war in Iraq is no different from Hilter's invasion of Poland.
The Germans had as many false justifications for their invasion as we did.

I Hate: I don't suppose you WOULD know where to start. But a " preemptive " war is no different than what the Germans did. All the same, DO try to come up with a response.

Bill In: Ok , I will let you have the soap box. BUT
As just another spineless weasel I can't help but remind you that Bush has probably stolen the 2000 election, violated the separation between church and state, attacked the Constitution, suspended habeas corpus, violated privacy of Americans,
sanctioned torture, and politicized the Judicial branch - out side of misleading us into a BOGUS war under false pretenses.
- oh, Clinton, was he president once ? How long ago was that? Sorry, I forget he forced Bush to invade Iraq. So we as a nation of justice and freedom need to go to Iraq and kill people who have a culture of hate and violence ? I guess that is going to fix things.

LeAnn : oh yes I CAN draw these parallels. 25 years of murder and mayhem ? Was Iraq behind it ? Did Iraq order the September 11th 2001 attacks ? Were there Iraqis on the aircraft ? I mean youre not seriously suggesting there is a link between Bush's war and Iraq ? Are you ?
Again there is NO justification for unprovoked war on other sovereign states. Its funny how all the " intelligence " turned out to be false. People were given death sentences at Nuremburg for things like this.

Jeeper _ : I understand this is exactly what Kietel and Jodel were hanged for. Remeber these were commanders of the OKW and OKH and as general staff officers they WERE held accountable.

Just Asking: I am not alone.

Bombasti: since when is the president " the nation" ?
I support the Constitution and the office of the presidency, not the person occupying it. Remember, Bush is just an employee, and a poor one at that.

Robert D: Thank you for an insightful and comprehensive opinion. I don't see any difference between Ribbontrop and Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz and Rice. They all lied as public officials and policy formulators. We are almost at the point where we are equating the warring factions in Iraq with the Jews of the Third Riech. Its easier to kill them if we dehuminize them. The mass of the less educated and more bellicose Americans who support Bush fell into the same fear-driven trap that ensnared Germans. Skillfully used propaganda and a lying government created a climate where " the ends justify the means " .
So we have Bush supporters acting as a vigallante mob in a small western town - wanting to lynch the insusrgent Iraqis and Iran too, so to speak. In some parts of the US its best not to express one's opinions - but most Americans oppose this war.

Chappye: What makes those who are " bombarding" right? I am very aware of the history of that region for the past 20 years. Didn't Hans Blix say there was no evidence of WMDs ? My understanding of the UN reports was that Iraq had no WMDs.
I am well acquainted with William L Shrier's The Rise And Fall of the Third Reich, Bill Stephanson's A Man Called Intrepid, Numerous documentaries,
Toland's biography of Hitler, Judgement at Nuremburg and editions of the Volkische Beobachter from as far back as 1935, 1937.) Hitler's own newspaper ) many more works on that period.
All the evidence I see indicates that just like the Bush Administration, the Germans falsified a justification for invading Poland. By 1939 headlines were saying : WHOLE OF POLAND IN WAR FEVER! 1.500.000 MEN MOBILIZED ! CHAOS IN UPPER SIELSLA ! and in 1935 you would see headlines such as : AGAIN 9 GERMAN TOURISTS SHOT!" . Condi Rice was a piker compared to those Nazis with her mushroom cloud lies.

Knobie: Right you are! I am not. There is a Nazi - US equivalancy however. We were lied to by the Bush Administration into a war with false intelligence cooked up by Cheney's office. Libby is going to jail because he lied about this. If the UN approved, we had to falsely justify it. Even Colon Powell admits his speech to the UN was full of falsehoods and he regrets to this day he gave it.
I would certainly agree with you and charge Blair as well. Its a mystery why he ever supported Bush in this war. Saddam? The Iraqis were better off with him than having this fratricidal civil war today.
I don't see the same scale of crimes against humanity today, but my main point is the US led the campaign for a preemptive war under false pretenses. We were lied to by our president who acted on false intelligence cooked up by his administration. Its still a war crime. You are not seriously equating Bush with Churchill or FDR?
At least FDR did not have to steal his first election.

Roger R: I am going to have fun with this. Actually a LOT of Germans who read the Voelkische Beobachter from 1935 to 1939 WOULD have believed Germany HAD been attacked repeatedly by Poland. So great was the censorship and control of the press by the Nazi Party, factual reporting was not published. But, tell me, when did Iraq attack the US? Let me pause and brush a tear from my eye because you mentioned the sacred 9/11 that justifies everything Bush is doing in Iraq. USS COLE - Iraq ? First World Trade Center Bombing - Iraq ? Marines in Lebanon - Iraq? I think not. As for motive, dontcha' think we may have invaded Iraq based on Wolfowitz's Program for a New American Century doctrine ? We wanted to build a US Friendly democracy that sits on top of the 2nd largest pool of un tapped oil in the world? Napoleon and Stalin were far more intelligent than Bush, by the way. You don't think the US is not after world control ? But I digress, Did IRAQ ATTACK THE US ? No.

Vito B: Rosie who ?

Lexus: Since I don't watch popular culture -'tainment have no idea whom she is or what she says. So, no.
But Bush and Cheney need to be charged for war crimes.

Athene: Thank you. Yes I seem to have touched on something. I note with vague astonishment the deflections and false analogies some of these posts contain to support their arguements. I was hoping some of them might have been better informed - as far as historical support goes.
These pro Bush crustaceans are probably an example of what other people believe. They are not very informed, but they do have opinions.
Thanks for your remarks.

Answer 1

Of course there a vast difference in stated motive and degree of outright gangsterism as opposed to stated aims and degree of cruelty etc. between US and Nazis for instance.
But the question legally is exactly correct, I assert.
In infallibility spouting aggression is gangster totalitarianism--collectivism--differing in degree alone.
The two should be charged with impeachable offenses for having re-invaded a nation, a purpose false in basis of not, which offered neither present nor foreseeable threat to our citizens. Their own advisors, the UN inspectors, millions of Americans, thinkers of my caliber told them to go slowly, be sure, etc; John Kerry's long warning was splendid, detailed and deserves repeating.
The confusion by outsiders to this administration was no 'confusion" on their part; they, the Administration's, leaders did know better--they ignored, obfuscated and lied about the facts deliberately and over a long period of time.
The right wing pro-imperial presidential press was thei unwitting ally. The run-up was Kantian ploy, a deliberate fraud, used to gain power for the Administration's bullies and thugs by creating an emergency where none existed, a 'war" where none existed. After all, no sane man attacks a bad idea with tanks and foot-soldiers.
I prefer impeachment therefore. But if someone accuses them of some complicity in war crimes, and they are the ones claiming there is a war, then they will have to be some guilt for that too. Making them leave office in disgrace, be unable to write revisionist, lying memoirs for pay and forced them to live on 9$ an hour with no work since they are being discriminated against for being over 55 for the rest of their lives is the adequate punishment. It is a living hell; I have personal cause to know what such injustice means.

Answer 2

You sure teased them out of their shells!
And you are right. They should be indicted for war crimes.

As far as I'm aware the US joined the Geneva convention, so they don't even have that excuse. No leader of any nation can turn around and say that he will not honour the treaties of his country in the past, and still claim to be doing the best for his country.
Bush has destroyed the esteem the USA used to enjoy all over the world and turned it into hatred of the country and contempt for its citizens.
I don't know why they are not being impeached. Lying about a private matter got Clinton there, but killing millions of people in an unjust war seems not to count that much among US politicians. They are looking on right now when everybody can see that a war against Iran is planned under the same pretexts. I have no sympathy for the gouvernment there, nor did I for the one in Iraq, but who can blame them when they now try to get nuclear weapons as soon as possible, even if their intentions at first were purely centred on the use of nuclear energy for electricity?

Answer 3

Really! The Germans had as many false justifications for their invasion of Poland? Wow!
Were the Germans preemptively attacked before they invaded Poland, like the USA was on 9/11?
Justified? How about all the attacks on America that took place BEFORE 9/11? How many attcks should we have been victim of before we struck back, 10? A hundred? Plane hijackings time and again, killing all our American passengers on board; justified? Where do you draw the line?The USS Cole, the World trade Center bombing (pre-9/11), the unprovoked attack on our Marines in Lebanon? Did Germany have any of those attacks before they wantonly invaded Poland? I think not!!
The only reason they invaded Poland was because they wanted Poland to be part of their "Empire", much the same modus operandi that Napoleon Bonaparte, and Stalin subscribed to -- world domination! To suggest that type philosophy is the same as George Bush's is like comparing squash to apples. Bush's philosophy comes in 2 parts, and I agree with both. (1) You've attacked us time and again for no reason other than the fact that we're allies of Israel, so "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"; (2) our "BEST DEFENSE (against you) IS AN OFFENSE. Both of these philosophies apparently are working because we've not been attacked on our soil since this president installed them.
Put on trial for war crimes? He's the only president that has struck back. Jimmy Carter did nothing. Ronald Reagan, George H. Bush, and Bill Clinton used meaningless talk and threats with no action. It's about time somebody responded to these fanatically evil people. And it's about time Americans wake up to what's happening here. George W. Bush should be put on a pedestal and given a medal!

Answer 4

Your ranting and raving is priceless. President Bush has committed no crimes of impeachment. Vice-President Cheney has committed no crimes of impeachment. Try reading the constitution instead of getting all of your information from Rosie.
To compare the US war in Iraq with what the Germans did in Poland shows just how long you have been out of touch down there in your basement.

Answer 5

You can't possibly be comparing the U.S. military to the Nazis !! You are not possibly making a moral equal of Hitlers Germany to the United States. But you are a liberal so of course you are!! In case you forgot we invaded Iraq under United Nations approval !!! We did not invade Iraq unilateraly, get your facts correct. Maybe we should charge Tony Blair, the U N Sec. General, The prime Ministers of Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan, and the rest of the U. N. members who voted for military action against Iraq. Sadam was in violation of more than 14 U. N. sanctions before we invaded. Maybe you should talk to the Jews who suffered under Hitlers Warsaw Gehetto in WW2. Go to the library and read about Hilters attempt to take over all of Europe. I guesss Roosevelt and Churchell should have been charged with war crimes too? The only person who was put on trial and convicted of war crimes by an Iraq court and justifibly executed was Sadam Hussen, by his own people!!

I think you should be charged with crimes of Stupidity !!

Answer 6

Seeing everyone else bombarded you, that should tell you that your wrong. Obviously you don't know the political intrigue that lead Hitler to come up with a bogus excuse to invade Poland. The justifications for both wars are totally different. We had plenty and in my book violating UN resolutions for 12 years is enough justification to take Saddam out, read up on the lead up to Poland and all the UN resolutions from 1991 to 2003, your answer is there.

Answer 7

He could be tried below the international criminal courtroom and we are no longer area of that, thank God! The UN is a humorous tale as is the international courtroom and each little thing else on the subject of the UN.

Answer 8

Because they have not committed war crimes. If you are filled with hatred for the President, it may make you feel better to think that he could be charged with such crimes. Most people, eventually, have to face reality. You can hate the President. Hate all you want. But know that hatred usually results in a distortion of what's true and what's real. Before calling for impeachment, etc., you should check yourself to be sure that your battle cry is based on truth and reality, as opposed to the intensely emotional, reality distorting emotion of hate.

Answer 9

In response to over 25 years of terror and murder against Americans all over the globe and culminating in the events of 9/11 - do you really believe it to be a war crime to strike back?
Comparing the German invasions in Europe to America's involvement in the Middle east is just plain lame - there is simply no way to draw any parallels, none.

Answer 10

Get off your soap box.

Quit being just another spineless weasel poisoned by the liberal media.

There have been NO crimes committed. Our president is doing what he feels is right to protect our nation and secure our freedom.

President Clinton pretended that no threat existed for 8 years, that's what put us in the situation we are in today. These people live in a culture of hate and violence. We can only respond by taking the fight to them, not by ignoring the war that was already being waged before we went overseas