Why do libs defend Illegal immigrants with the ever so popular... "your ancesters were immigrants too...?

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so the illegals have every right that you do"? I have another quick question. Can libs tell me which country was not formed by immigrants? Name just one please. How do you think countries were started? Lines and Borders drawn? Did God place a couple in every area and tell them to procreate until they have enough people to be considered a country? All countries were started by settlers (aka immigrants ) The point is... stop living in the past when the past no longer applies. The fact is... most countries throughout the world have been established... they all have governments in one form or another and laws that govern them. Shouldn't people respect and obey the laws of another established country if they are visiting or seeking citizenship?

So enough with that tired old talking point....

glitter... whos to say you were here first? and thanks for doing exactly what I said libs would do... great example!

So Jenny... if you don't qualify it's a green light to break the law? I probably don't qualify to do your job... should I just undercut you and take it from you?

Ever hear of working for something? Putting forth the effort...

Answer 1

If you are discussing immigration with a friend, you are likely to hear him reflexively blurt out the gem: "this is a nation of immigrants." When he does, simply point out to him that eighty-five percent of the residents of the United States were born here.

How could that preponderance of home-grown Americans justify us being called a "nation of immigrants"?

Certainly we are descendants of immigrants (as is everyone in the world), but that is not the same thing as being an immigrant.

Anyway, such a statement is no justification for continued mass immigration. The inference that "We are a nation of immigrants and, therefore, we must not limit immigration" is a classic example of circular argument.

What is says is this: Because we are a nation of immigrants, we have to allow for massive immigration which, in turn, makes us a nation of immigrants. Hence its circularity.

Circular arguments are invalid in the logical sense by virtue of how they are structured and not what do they mean. They lead to faulty (and, therefore, useless) reasoning in which the thesis (the very thing which is to be proved) is used as a premise in its proof.

And circular arguments certainly do not form a good basis on which to formulate sound public policy.

Answer 2

If a fence or wall at the U.S./Mexican border is such a horrible idea, then why do our elected officials in Washington live in gated communities? I mean, who are THEY trying to keep out?
Think about it. Ask an Indian what happens when you don't control immigration.
Immigration Reform? Amnesty? It's a dead/non- issue really. Our law enforcement currently IS NOT allowed to uphold the law. Why write new ones? So they'll not be allowed to uphold those as well? Seriously, if a traffic cop pulls over an illegal immigrant for a traffic violation and it comes up that he's here illegally, that cop IS NOT allowed to haul his butt in. The lib.s say it would be too hard and cost too much to haul in an estimated 12 million illegals. REALLY? It's a lame excuse. Ted and Hillary would have to actualy hire a documented, tax paying citizen and pay them that minimum wage they wanted to shove down our throats instead of the current "gardeners and maids" they have employed. But then, they all live in gated communities and the law doesn't apply to them.
It's an excuse to get the ignorant all worked up into a frenzy. Reform and amnesty ARE NOT needed. It's just another ploy to get people spun up in an election year.

Answer 3

Past "immigrants"were conquerors from relatively sophisticated nations, Saxons, Danes and even the Celts were invaders. The latest wave of mass immigration would not be able to conquer this nation in any other way than by weight of numbers and illegal modern mass immigration.

Mass 20/21st century immigration is undemocratic (We British never asked for it) and mass immigration is of no benefit to indigenous UK people at all. Increased property prices and overcrowding alone make it unacceptable. Indian people claiming to "Be British and proud of it" make it irksome to say the least.

Mass immigration is the Biggest mistake ever made in the history of the once proud UK and we will rue the day we allowed it.

I do not agree with LEGAL mass immigration , we should only accept selected small numbers of immigrants as we did in the past. An illegal immigrant is a criminal and no wonder we have seen a big rise in crime. Illegal immigration insults the law abiding real British

In the UK, population is officially projected to rise from 60.2 million (mid-2005) to 70.7 million in 2074 - another one and a half Londons in less than a lifetime.**

Answer 4

Early man originated in Africa and migrated slowly out of Africa into Europe.

He then migrated across the Bering Land Bridge from Siberia, traveled down the west coast of North America and fanned out across the current United States and into Mexico approximately 13,000 years ago.

That being the case, people arriving from Europe are descendants of early Man and have as much right to be on this continent as do the Mexicans and "Native" Americans.

There was a also discovery of "bog people" in Florida that goes back (I think -- not sure I remember what I read) 6,000 years or more, and they definitely had European origins.

The libs spin everything. The catch phrases and talking points are repeated almost verbatim from a variety of sources. Ask a liberal sometime if he knows how the Mexican government deals with people crossing THEIR southern border illegally. Ask about the daily busloads of rounded-up "illegals" being driven back across that border.

Incidentally, the people of Mexico have America to thank that they're not speaking French today instead of Spanish.

Answer 5

The thing is that human nature hasn't changed and humans continue to move around the world. The US isn't the only country that has problems with immigrants. Humans continue to have a drive to survive and in certain cases, the only way to survive is to go somewhere else.

Yes, I know, you don't have a problem with the ones who do it legally and so why can't these people just come legally??? I've heard THAT one too many times myself. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T! Because they don't qualify!

I am not saying that it is OK to break the law. I am saying that people will do whatever they have to to survive. Entering the country without a visa is a minor misdemeanor It is so minor that I have never heard of a single case where a person has been prosecuted for it. Do you consider people who have been ticketed for speeding as criminals, evil lawbreakers? Didn't think so.

This brings us back to the relevance of how our forefathers came to the US. So, right, entering the US without permission or proper documentation has only been on the books as a misdemeanor for a relatively short time historically. So, right, when my great great grandparents came over from Scotland and when my father's parents crossed the border and lived in the US for a few years, they weren't breaking any laws.

The attitude towards immigrants has changed over the years; however, they are doing the same thing they have always done. When our ancestors did it, it wasn't a big deal. Now people are characterizing them as "criminals."

Answer 6

Like the MSNBC headline that mentioned "Arizona makes unlawful immigrants a crime". That "unlawful" facet does not have compatibility their global view. Same manner that a few of the US says "safeguard the borders" and liberals pay attention "immigration reform" that is code for "amnesty". All they are able to consider approximately is yet another large block of Democrat citizens and dues paying union participants. And they controlled to get the Health Care invoice in position simply in time to deliver a pair million previously unlawful immigrants unfastened treatment. Well, no longer precisely unfastened. Somebody will likely be deciding to buy it.

Answer 7

If I may please, Mr. Perfect. I have to address some of the things said here. You summed up the topic perfectly yourself, but I would love to add a bit of rebuttal to some of the answers there.

Angela R you state that Americans have overstayed their welcome in other countries. Please, bring me back a URL that states which country has 20 million illegal Americans. I can back up that number here with a URL. So, if you are going to make a statement that broad, I would love to see where you got that infomation please. I like to be well informed and educated.
Here is my URL.
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
And there are Mexicans here from way back. So if that is your beef, there are lots of legal Mexicans and other immigrants here ( my father is a legal immigrant himself). I resent that he worked hard to get here legally, and he brought over his brother legally, and they opened a business together. They spoke Engish, read it, wrote it, and they became citizens. They made this their country in the legal way. So, I begrudge nobody who is here legally, or who has been here legally and their offspring, who are citizens as well. So, there are still Mexicans here, whose family have been here for generations. The point is the illegals who come here and expect to be treated as citizens, with all the perks that has. And just because my father was from another country, I don't expect to go there illegally and be taken in with open arms. No part of this country was owned by the Mexicans who are now coming in illegally. And it was never owned by any other nationality who are coming in illegally, though let us be honest, who has a greater chance of even getting here illegally, a Mexican, or someone from Africa or Asia? Crossing land is easier than getting here from overseas illegally.

Guy, what part of what Jessica is stupid? There is a difference between coming here legally, and breaking your very first law as you enter this country illegally. So these so-called law abiding people who just want to work, have broken a law the minute they crossed without permission from our government. Please prove the stupidity in Jessica's answer.

I don't expect a best answer for this, I don't even expect any thumbs up. I didn't prove the point for the libs. But I had to get in my two cents worth. As a born citizen of America, and the daughter of a LEGAL immigrant who became a citizen, I am highly opinionated on this matter. And I live in a place where illegals are getting work while citizens are looking for work, sometimes for months at a time with no luck. There are lots of unskilled laborers here, and they would love to have the companies in the area needing them, not having a steady flow of illegals to compete with.
Thanks for the space and time.

Answer 8

You state: "The point is... stop living in the past when the past no longer applies."

I agree and point made! :-)

You ask, "Shouldn't people respect and obey the laws of another established country if they are visiting or seeking citizenship?"

Yes! Absolutely! That's where the problem lies. If they were abiding by the laws, they would be LEGAL immigrants. I don't think anyone has a problem with legal immigrants!
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Answer 9

The difference between then and now is that back then, people that migrated came to this country, learned the language and obeyed the laws. Now they enter our borders illegally, expect us to learn their language, disregard our laws and in some cases expect us to conform to their laws.
The reason the Dems defend them is that, if they take their side, they will get more votes and be able to stay in office.

Answer 10

yes my ancestors were immigrants but they were legal immigrants. it is that illegal part that we just can't look the other way for. illegal is illegal whether it is an immigration law or any other law. if i am real poor can i commit illegal acts to better my life and not expect to be punished?