Did U know Hagar and Ishmael were sent to Arabia when he was an INFANT & not a 17 yr old like the Bible says?

Question

The Question is ……… What MOTIVE did Jewish Scholars have to change the story of Ishmael ?

The Romans and Greeks could never conquer or Hellenize the children of Ishmael. That is why the Arabs knew the name of Allah generations after Abraham taught Ishmael and then Ishmael taught his descendants.

Gods plan was to save the lineage of Ishmael from all the disasters that were to befall Jerusalem and then the Final Prophet from the rod of Jesse (Ishmael) would come from the land of Ke’dar (Arabia).

God commanded Abraham to leave his family in the desert of Paran (Arabia) and we know from history that the miraculous well given to Hagar and Ishmael is beside the Black stone building built by Abraham in the Holy city of Mecca.

God sent Hagar and the first born of Abraham into the wilderness when Ishmael was a baby….. and not when he was a 17 year old like what the scholars wrote in the bible.

A mother does not carry a 17 year old on her shoulder and then place the crying child of 17 yrs. under a bush and walk away while he dies of thirst.

It is abundantly clear from the story in Gen. 21:14-19 that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Following is the documentation of this statement:

According to Gen. 16:16 Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born. And according to Gen.21:5 Abraham was one hundred years old when Isaac was born. It follows that Ishmael was already fourteen years old when his younger brother Isaac was born.

According to Gen. 21:14-19, the jealousy incident took place after Issac was weaned. Biblical scholars tell us that “the child was weaned about the age of three”.

It follows that when Hagar and Ishmael were taken away Ishmael was a full grown teenager seventeen year old.

The profile of Ishmael in Gen. 21:14-19, however , is that of a small baby and not of a teenager.
Why ?

First : According to the Interpreters Bible , the original Hebrew for Gen.21:14 was “…and put the child upon her shoulder”. The same reading is rendered in the Revised Standard Edition of the Bible.

How would a mother carry a Seventeen year old teenager “upon her shoulder? Certainly he was strong enough to carry his mother !
Ishmael must have been a baby .

Second : In Gen. 21:15 we are told that Hagar “cast” the child under one of the shrubs. Again, according to this Biblical text Ishmael must have been a baby and not a seventeen year old man.

Third: In Gen. 21:16 we are told that Hagar sat away so that she may not see the death of the child before her eyes. Is that a profile of a husky seventeen year old teenager who was probably capable of being worried about his mother dying before his eyes? Or is it obviously a profile of a small helpless baby or at most a small child?

Fourth : According to Gen. 21:17, the angels told Hagar “arise, lift up the lad”. Is a seventeen year old young man a proper object to be “lifted up” by a woman? Or is that a reference to a small child or baby?

Fifth: In Gen. 21:19, we are told that Hagar went to fill the bottle with water “and give the lad a drink”. One would expect a strong young man of seventeen to go and bring water to his mother instead.

The non Jewish version of the story is fully consistent and coherent from A to Z; Ishmael was a baby and Isaac was not born yet when this incident took place. This coherence and consistency are confirmed by centuries-old traditions and even actual locations in Mecca where Hagar and Ishmael settled. This clearly implies that the real reason behind their settlement in Arabia (Paran) was not the dictation, jealousy, ego or sense of racial superiority on the part of Sarah. It was rather God’s plan; pure and simple. The lineage of Ishmael was to be protected from the disasters that were to befall Jerusalem and the surrounding area.

It may be relevant to indicate that this issue is not the only instance of inconsistency in respect to Ishmael’s story. The Interpreters Bible compares the story of Hagar and Ishmael in Gen. 21:14-19 with that in an earlier chapter (Gen. 16:1-16) and concludes “the inclusion in Genesis of both stories so nearly alike and yet sufficiently different to be inconsistent, is one of many instances of the reluctance of the compilers to sacrifice any of the traditions which has become established in Israel.” (Interpreters Bible, ibid, p. 604)


Obviously early scholars fabricated the story of a spat between Isaac and Ishmael so they could disown the first born and have a God only for themselves to the exclusion of all others.


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Answer 1

I didn't read your question completely but I knew that Ishmael was sent to Arabia when he was an infant.
The story goes like this:
Hagar was looking for water to give to Ishmael... she sees something in a distance and goes for it... but no water... she looks back and again she thinks she has seen water... so she goes for it... she goes back and forth 7 times.
And when she comes back to Ishmael she sees that under his feet (bcz the poor kid was kicking and crying) water is bubbling out of the ground. This water is ZamZam that is well known by all Muslims and is in Makka.

Answer 2

Since you are wanting to use an argument from Genesis to try to prove Ishamel was a infant, explain the following. As there was a 15 year period between the birth of Ishmael and the birth of Isaac, how could Ishmael still be an infant.

The incident that caused Hagar and Ishmael to be exiled was Ishmael's mocking of Isaac. Kind of hard for an infant o mack somebody. Infants can't talk yet.

Would Hagar had carried a teenager on her shoulder? At the time he was unconscious and unable to walk. It is unlikely that she could have cradled him in her arms, and walked with him. I suppose she could have dragged him, but that would have injured him and exhausted her quickly. The logical way for her to have carried him would have been to drab him over her shoulder.

The real choose is whether you accept the Old Testament or the Koran has the true version. The Old Testament was written by the people who experienced the events. The Koran was given by a illiterate person over 2000 years after the events.

I think I will trust the eye witnesses.

Answer 3

Huh? precisely the place does the Bible say that ? "First : in accordance to the Interpreters Bible , the unique Hebrew for Gen.21:14 grow to be “…and placed the youngster upon her shoulder”. a similar reading is rendered interior the Revised time-honored version of the Bible. How might a mom carry a Seventeen 3 hundred and sixty 5 days old teen “upon her shoulder? actually he grow to be solid adequate to hold his mom ! Ishmael might desire to have been a newborn . 2nd : In Gen. 21:15 we are informed that Hagar “forged” the youngster under between the shrubs. back, in accordance to this Biblical text fabric Ishmael might desire to have been a newborn and not a seventeen 3 hundred and sixty 5 days old guy. third: In Gen. 21:sixteen we are informed that Hagar sat away so as that she will possibly not see the demise of the youngster formerly her eyes. Is that a profile of a husky seventeen 3 hundred and sixty 5 days old teen who grow to be probably able to being aggravating approximately his mom dying formerly his eyes? Or is it of course a profile of a small helpless toddler or at maximum a small newborn? Fourth : in accordance to Gen. 21:17, the angels informed Hagar “upward push up, develop up the lad”. Is a seventeen 3 hundred and sixty 5 days old youthful guy a suitable merchandise to be “lifted up” by a woman? Or is that a connection with a small newborn or toddler? 5th: In Gen. 21:19, we are informed that Hagar went to fill the bottle with water “and supply the lad a drink”. One might anticipate a solid youthful guy of seventeen to pass and bring water to his mom fairly." so which you have purely shown that the Bible would not prepare us that Ishmael 17 years old. purely as I suspected. the place did you get this strange concept? i haven't come throughout the time of something that makes the declare that Ishmael grow to be an adolescent at that ingredient.

Answer 4

Thank you for straighting that out.
What is exactly an "Interpreters Bible"?

Please "interpret" Galatians 4:21-31 for me:

21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Answer 5

I went to the store and helped a woman with her groceries. what did you do today?

Answer 6

well prove they were real and not fabrications the bible/quran are myths and legends thats all they are prove me wrong

Answer 7

this is RELIGION AND YOU HAVE no PROOF TO GO AGAINST GOD SO SKIP THE CRA* way too long....!!!