In which verse of bible Jesus himself said 3 in 1, 1 in 3, 3=1, 1+1+1=1 and 1+1+1=9 because 3=1???

Question

Is there any limit of biblical/Christian absurdity.
‘Christ according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded form the Father and Son, but was an equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.’

Answer 1

I am a christian and I agree with you , CRAZY HUH.

Answer 2

Neither the actual Bible,

nor actual Christianity,

have *ever* taught the Trinity doctrine.

Actual Bible teachings about God & his purposes are very clear, easy to understand, and reasonable. Not so the teachings of Christendom's churches, which often contradict the Bible itself.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/pr/article_04.htm

How Is the Trinity Explained?
- "Beyond the Grasp of human Reason"...
http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_02.htm

Over the years, a spurious passage was inserted that seemed to teach it, but it has been removed in modern translations.
1 John 5:7, with the spurious text added--then removed:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." KJV

"And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." Douay-Rheims

versus 1 John 5:7,8 now:

"For there are three who testify: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one." WEB; NASB; etc
http://www.watchtower.org/bible/1jo/chapter_005.htm?bk=1jo;chp=5;vs=7-8;citation#7

The true historical origins of the doctrine of the Trinity
are explained in this on-line article:

How Did the Trinity Doctrine Develop?
- Constantine's Role at Nicaea
- Further Development
- The Athanasian Creed
- Apostasy Foretold
- What Influenced the Teaching
- Platonism
- Why Did God's Prophets Not Teach It?
http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_04.htm

Answer 3

* In which verse of bible Jesus himself said 3 in 1, 1 in 3, 3=1, 1+1+1=1 and 1+1+1=9 because 3=1??? *

None , there are no such verses where Jesus says or sanctions the trinity delusion.

Listen to Jesus deny such a thing and
assume a subservient role.

The Bible John 14:28
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Answer 4

Jesus has always referred to God as a different and superior person.

"But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God." -- 1 Corinthians 11:3

"The Father is greater than I." -- John 14:28

"Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father." -- Mark 13:32

"No man has seen God at any time." -- John 1:18

"Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."" -- Matthew 4:10

"He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. " -- John 3:18

"Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you."" -- John 17:1


For more information go to:
http://www.watchtower.org/cgi-bin/lib/ProcessForm.pl

Answer 5

So you finally admit that the Trinity is incomprehensible to humanity. So do I. I can't understand it and the closest analogy falls apart very quickly (the most common is the water analogy - 3 states, one water... however, when have you seen one molecule of water be all three states at once?).

Markyy: Yep, Jesus got his mom pregnant. That is what is implied. Here's the scary part - what is also implied is that Jesus helped create his mother also. So what's your problem? Christ is labled as the firstborn of creation, and that he existed before the world began. This is not hard to comprehend. The hard part is having the faith to believe it and accept that the doctrine of the triune God is above our heads.

Answer 6

So what you're saying is, you don't understand the doctrine of the Trinity. It doesn't say that Christ is Father, it doesn't say that Holy Spirit is Father or Son. Get the facts right before you try to bash things.

Answer 7

Yeps, the Trinity is pure nonsense.

I never understand why Christians get so angry when you ask them about specific things of the Trinity. You know, Jesus being God, that means Jesus made his own mother pregnant in order for himself to be born. That is what a Trinity implies. Every time I mention that they get angry.

Sigh, beliefs are funny when implications of that same belief only make people upset.

Answer 8

Just because something is beyond human understanding does not make it idiotic or absurd. It is simply beyond the ability of humans to grasp. It must be taken on faith. The chair you sit in could break within seconds, yet there you sit. You have faith that the chair will not break. Faith is a necessary part of succeeding in the world. Many are not aware of how much of their daily existence is based on faith.

Answer 9

Firstly Christ never said this and it is not in the Gospels, Jesus said that He and the Father are `One`; and also promised to send the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles,so here we have the Triune Godhead.
The Father is a person unto Himself and so is the Son and the Holy Spirit, but they are so closely united in awesome love that they are said to be One God in which subsists three divine persons.

Answer 10

You are 100% correct. All throughout scripture, you can only see, God (The Father, our Creator), and His son, a human being, Jesus Christ who died for the sins of the world. Since God wrote all of the laws of the Universe and He never violates them, He also wrote the laws of mathematics, as math is a science. God never violates math! So in this equation: 1 + 1 = 2, as the scripture says, "There is ONE God and ONE mediator, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). People get tied up with the concept of the "Holy spirit", but I don't understand why... John 4:24 makes it very clear: God IS a spirit, and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. In other words, they must worship ACCURATELY! There is no third "person" that is the holy spirit! God is a spirit and God is holy. These are His characteristics, His nature if you will. Jesus Himself never called Himself God. He called Himself the Son of God (because God caused conception in Mary), and He called Himself the Son of Man... in other words, the Son of Mankind!!! A PERSON. Not God! God cannot die. That's an attribute of God! God cannot resurrect Himself if He's dead. As you said, these things are illogical. And I used to believe this doctrine. But then I learned better. And I learned where this doctrine came from. Surely if it was a doctrine to follow that was important, Jesus would've said to worship God with that understanding. Instead, what He did do was give a prophetic parable as a warning: Mark 13:33, "The kingdom of heaven (or literally from the Strong's "The ROYALTY of heaven...) is like unto leaven which a woman (again, Strong's says specifically A WIFE) took and hid in (or literally again INCORPORATED with) THREE MEASURES of meal till the whole was leavened." So it's saying, the royalty of heaven has become unclean, polluted, like sin, because this woman or wife took three measures of something unclean and mixed it throughout until the whole of the food was unclean to eat. What does the church feed the hungry? It's the word of God! What are the three measures of meal? The trinitarian Father Son and Holy Ghost! Anyway, thank you for posting this. I don't believe our trinitarian brethren are condemned for what they believe, but I also cannot agree with them. God is not a mystery. He made us to know Him like Adam did. And Jesus as a MAN, the LAST ADAM was the only one who could bring back to us unbroken communion. People sometimes mistake the sign that God gave at Jesus' baptism to say, "Look the holy spirit descended on Him like a dove...there's a manifestation of the holy spirit." But they're not at all understanding what God's saying. It says that God's spirit descended on Him LIKE a dove, not that it WAS a dove! What it means is God's spirit falling on Christ could be seen like a dove lighting on your shoulder! It was visible to everyone there. And then to back it up, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him." In other words, it was the endorsement God was giving for Jesus' ministry, because Jesus had chosen and said, "suffer this to be done to fulfill all righteousness." But it was for the people's sake that the voice was heard and the anointing of God was seen to fall on Him! It was so people could have the chance to know that Christ was the messiah they were to follow. Many false messiahs were abounding in that day, because the Jews knew the counting of the weeks in Daniel. So God gave the sign out of MERCY to the people... It had nothing to do with a trinity.

Anyway, thank you very much for putting this out there. I really appreciate the chance to remember that Jesus was our elder brother. He wasn't some God-man. He was our flesh and blood brother. God can not die! But the MAN Christ Jesus surely died for our sins. The bible says "We see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels (Hebrews 2:9). God cannot make Himself lower than the angels. God, or part of God can no more stop being God than I can stop being Teresa. It can't happen. That's not a limit to God's ability. What it means God's nature doesn't change. God cannot become a man. God is bigger than the whole universe! How can he then become a man? That makes no sense, and it isn't true! I wish people would follow what their own heart tells them along with the bible. We should be able to discard what doesn't make sense. Because God is the author of logic, and what is true about Him will always make sense. It should be then very easy to see that Jesus was a man. A person. A righteous person, who finished the work that Adam should've done. And now He's seated at the right hand of His Father. God cannot sit at His own right hand. The bible says that the word of God is peacable and EASY to be intreated... it's not something that defies logic, and math, and leaves us confused as to who our creator is, and who our saviour is. There is one God, and one mediator, the man Jesus Christ!

Answer 11

I hope I'm wrong, but it sounds like if God doesn't have the proper gift wrapping around that box you expect Him to be in, you can't and/or won't accept Him.
If we understood everything about everything, we'd be in heaven and alot better off. Can a man challenge the bible and win?