Musims, Allah forgives but you are still punished?

Question

Mat.9:1 And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city.
2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?

When Christ forgave sin man was healed is his forgiveness greater than Allah's?
We see that Muslims believe Allah forgave Adam but Adam was still kicked out of the garden...Muslims tell me though Allah forgives man is still punished...Yet Christ forgave sin and restored the man was his forgiveness better than that of Allah?
Why doesn't Allah's forgiveness restore man to his righteouness? How is it Christ is greater than Allah?

Nician Chrisitans can not imply follow sin they are forgiven but by faiht are mede new and are not servents of sin but are by faith made new.

Salahuld… The truGod is a rightoues God he demands that the penalty fo sin be paid and the wages of sin is death it is the reason we all die. Adam did sin and Adam did die...the bbile does nto say God merely overlooks sin and pretends a man did not sin. the reason for death is sin and the reason Christ came to the world was to pay that penalty fo death for all who accept the atonement. Without the penalty being paid a righteous God can not forgive sin it was his plan to bring man to his righteouness not to join man in their sin. the true God is righteous and man is not he did have a plan of salvation for us the Bible explains his plan completely in this story of Adam and Eve please see that there were two trees in the garden the other tree was the tree of life.

Calmness Jesus did forgive sin and was very much entitled to do so many Muslims agree. Jesus also had power over life and death according to your Qu'ran. Jesus raised the dead and according to the Qu'ran created life remember the story fo the clay pigeon this story is a fairy tale and is not a true story but it does show that Muhammad clearly understood Jesus could create life forgive sin and raise the dead.
Jesus forgave sin when he healed and Muhamamd nor the Qu'ran denies this truth. The Jews had the same problem you have wiht this as they did not accept the deity of Christ however it is a fact and is reapeted throughout the Gospel. It is the reason the Jews sought to kill him.

Luvpeace, I do not believe that a Chrisitan can commit any sin as I believe that those who are healed by christ are by faith made new. Are Muslims not perfected before they inherit Allah's eternity or are thay still sinners in the afterlife?

nada I was simply presenting the truth that when Christ forgave someone they were healed restored...Muslims say they are forgiven but not restored as in the case of Adam...It seems the grace from Christ is better than the Grace from Allah I will listen to you if you can demonstrate how Allah's grace is superior to that of Christ.

Answer 1

Then according to your beliefs, why was Adam kicked out of Heaven? If "your" God is such a big forgiver, then why punish Adam?

Answer 2

Sins are not physical things. They are your own actions that have developed into transgressions. They have no physical tie to your body, thus, sickness and disease is not a result of sin, but a natural consequence of living in the physical body.

The seperation of man and God is the consequence of mans transgression against God.

And God waits for the judgement day to say who is forgiven and who is not.

No one, not even Jesus, had the right to tell people they were forgiven. Because that would completely undermine the need to be humble and the need to remember, were nothing more than humans.

He could promise that through certain actions, God would forgive them, but he on a personal level, had no power to forgive anyone on behalf of God.

For Jesus was not God.

Edit: The Quran says that Jesus brought the dead to life with the power given to him by God. And Jesus also said his power wasnt his but came from God. Theres a HUGE difference between making a miracle by the help of God, and being God.

Answer 3

All will be weighed on the Day of Judgement.

Constant repentance is neccessary so humans keep remembering that God is the one who forgives. This builds humility and gratitude.

Muslims have so many good deeds and acts of worship which forgive minor sins and through "tauba" major sins are forgiven.

Even then we will end up on the day of Judgement with sins and shortcomings.

We know that without the Mercy from God we will not pass the test on the Day of our Resurrection.

On that day God will reward those who strove to do good and had faith, with a GREAT reward while those who lived as per their desires and made their lusts and likings into a god will get the worst of failures.

Satans greatest weapon against mankind is make us break a commandment of GOD. Just imagine if he created a religion that completely ignored the laws of God saying it is no longer needed ?

Islam is the final religion with the final law and commandments for those who want to submit themselves to the Lord of Abraham.

If people were told they are all forgiven and there is no need for a constant fear and worry of doing sin then people would go astray like the Christians.

Muslims will enter paradise by the Mercy of Allah. He will bestow his mercy on those who had faith and did good deeds.

When someone is forgiven in the hereafter then he will be cleansed of all sin and will live in eternal purity.

A life in Paradise will be very similar to this life but with an infinite amount more of the best of all things.

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Answer 4

Christ was not vindictive. Christ was not prejudiced against others. Christ did not call for the slaying of unbelievers. Christ was not a prophet who married and slept with a 9 year old little girl...unlike some other "prophets" I could name.

There were a lot of things that Christ was not. But there are many more things that Christ is and always has been...like OUR Lord & Savior. This applies to Muslims, atheists, and all others who decide not to follow Christ. He's their savior, too...they just don't know it yet. Christ loves all of us, even though many of "us" don't love or don't know Christ.

That's how Christ is greater than the fictitious "allah".

Answer 5

Again, you got it wrong, you see when God was going to creat Adam(pbuh) he said to the angels, "I will create a vicegerent on earth" so you see before Adam(Pbuh) was even created, it was his destiny to be in earth and that is why God sent him to earth. Solomon(Pbuh) was once with a animal and he forgot to pray the middle of day prayer, so he lost his kingdom for a while by a devil who sat on his throne, he asked God for forgiveness and it was accepted and he got his kingdom back, the wind, Jinns, and animals were in his command so you cant judge God by one verse in the Quran you have to read other parts to understand it better and more accurately. maybe these hadiths can make you understand it better, i hope:
Hadith Qudsi:

Allah, the Almighty, has said: O Son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O Son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O Son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins as great as the earth, and were you then to face Me ascribing no partners to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as it.

Answer 6

Allah = God but in Arabic.

Because forgiveness is important but if you just forgive every time someone sins then they haven't learned anything of it.. they will continue living sinful lives and then expect forgiveness.

With punishment, people will learn. God is compassionate, God cares for people.. God shows people the consequences so that they will not repeat it.

And no, God will not restore man to his righteousness because man should be humble, not full of self-righteousness.

Christ is not greater then Allah. Christ is the word for God to Christians and Allah = God to Muslims..

Answer 7

You are pretty foolish if you think that as a christian you can commit whatever crime and you won't be punished. You're still going to have to pay for your sins...think about it!!!!!

Answer 8

if you believe that Christ is greater than Allah ? ... then you are not even a christian .

Answer 9

Hmm... untrue.

About that Adam part of your question, here's the answer:
Not gonna bother reading the rest of your question, but here's the answer:

When you're forgiven, it means you won't be punished in the NEXT world-- Judgment Day, basically. And his being kicked out wasn't really a punishment; it was part of Allah's plan. Punishment would have been more like... I don't know...I'm thinking having Adam and Eve (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both) come down to Earth and NOT show them guidance the way He (Allah) did.
Had they not sinned, they (and consequently us) would've lived in heaven, free to do as they may have wished with absolutely no warnings (besides "no touching that tree"), etc.
Know what I mean?

You see, when Allah (Lord of all the worlds and all that's in between them--also known as "GOD" in English, by the way) forgives you, you're forgiven and NOT punished in the next world, but Muslims don't believe in that "Once saved, always saved" concept that some Christians believe in. We believe that because you have the ability to sin, then just because you're forgiven ONCE doens't mean you'll be forgiven always. It's not like you repent sincerely ONCE and then the next day, you sin and think that you're forgiven still. No. EVERY sin has a minor/major punishment in Islam, depending on how minor/major the sin is, regardless of whom the sinner is (meaning, just because you've never sinned before but commit murder once doesn't mean you're fogiven since--as you may think--this is your first sin ever; it's still a sin).
NOW, I know what you're thinking: "Then that makes Allah unrighteous and that He's okay with sins." LOL! Silly, silly guy.
THEN here would be my response:
If Allah was okay with sin, He'd NEVER have created hell; He'd never even tell us about it in the Quran. But, dude... don't make me give you those Quranic verses where He tells of the fire-dwellers. Only those people whom he KNOW deserve hell will be sent there. He DOES tell us constantly, ALLLL throughout the Quran, that those who do good themselves and then forbid evil and perform their prayers and fast and give charity and so on WILL go to heaven. Now, we all know that these people, too, commit lots of sins, probably daily, right? Yeah, of course we all do that. But there are those followers of God who're humble enough to repent SINCERELY, and depending on the sincerity of the repentence, God'll forgive the repenter.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTT....
I could say the same thing. Supppose "Christ" does forgive sins; then what about the sinners?
And HOW does the "sacrifice of Jesus" wash your sins away once you repent? God is Powerful enough to wash your sins away, to forgive you ALL your sins WITHOUT having to have some source of medium through doing so. He doesn't say, "If you don't accept the belief that I died for you, that I gave my blood for you only to forgive you, then you cannot be forgiven." How silly would that be if He DID say this!
And listen to your own thinking, man.... "God died for us".... That's what you people believe, right? Sheesh... "GOD" doesn't die. Make up your mind: God or His Son? Umm... Nevermind; you think both are the same. :S "God came down to earth in the form of man in order to die for us." Tsk, tsk. God isn't strong/powerful enough to show you guidance without having to come down to you Himself?... Without having to kill His son or Himself in order to save you?
Anyways, you, too, believe that God FORGIVES, right? The difference arises when you claim that God had to kill someone for you in order to save you. Actually, not only is this nonsensical (no offence; it's only MY belief, ok? :D), it's also POWERLESS of God to do that. I mean, seriously, WHY must God sacrifice someone in order to save you? Can't He save you WITHOUT having to kill you?
Further, according to you, anyone who accepts the atonement, or this belief that Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) "died" for you is saved. Now, of course, I'm gonna bring up the "laws" from the OT into this, and I pray you don't mind. If I remember well, you told me that those same laws don't apply to you anymore (e.g, sacrifcing animals, not being able to eat pork, alll those statements against women--not to say that women are respected in the NT, but you get my point, don't you?-- and many other things) just because Jesus (pbuh) is now here so you don't have to go through what the people before/during Jesus (pbuh) went through.
Well... I believe in justice. I think that God would NEVER be this unjust and evil (YES! It IS evil to say that a woman during her menstruation is dirty and that anyone/anything she touches becomes dirty as well and that the birth of a daughter is a loss and that if your head isn't covered during prayers, it should be shaven off, and blah blah--not to disrespect your teachings, but I think it's nothing but evil!), to one particular people and then say, "I'm here now so you don't have to go through all that anymore!" Makes ANY sense to you?.... JUST because Jesus hadn't come at their time, those people before him had to suffer this much.... No, buddy, no; this isn't God. God never said/did this. I pray you'll see it for yourself soon, before it's too late.
Atonement, huh.... If I'm not mistaken, these are supposedly Jesus' last words: "Father, why has thou forsaken me!" Hmm... Let's be HONEST here, please. Does this seem like something Jesus WANTED to do?... Does it look like he WANTED to be sacrificed for you?.... To ME, it doesnt; it's as if "God" FORCED him to give his "blood" for you.... Tsk, tsk. Volunteers JUST don't do this, ok? they don't lose patience like this. If he REALLY "wanted" to die for you, he'd have done so with love and calmness and PATIENCE, not by yelling out to God, "WHERE ARE YOU???? WHY ARE you doing this to me???!!" ... or something like that.

Final answer to your question: ALLAH = God = JUST and Perfect. He accepts repentence and forgives the repenter VERY easily, and nothing you or anyone says/believes can ever change this fact about God :D. He's Powerful enough to forgive us withOUT having to have a certain medium through His doing so.

So, may the Lord of the Worlds bless you with endless happiness and peace in this world and the in the next :). Aameen!
Peace and blessings be upon you, buddy.

Answer 10

Neither are great. Allah doesn't exist. Jesus, if he existed, is just a dead guy. You are trying to split hairs between two superstitions.