for those negative people out there?

Question

yes i do have have a westie and scotty, just wanted to know if people have bred them, so what about the other breeds which have bred ie labradoodle, sprocker,springer and cocker thers a few out there and labradoodle was on crufts this year

Answer 1

It's not being negative, it's being realistic. Labradoodles began as a genuine attempt to produce a dog which was better than a Labrador or a Poodle - It was an attempt which failed. Some Sprockers are bred to do a particular job of work better than either a Cocker or a Springer. The only genuine reason for breeding is to try produce something better than the parents. In what way, or for what purpose could a West Highland White & a Scottish Terrier mix be better than the purebred parents?

Answer 2

There was NOT a Labradoodle on Crufts and there NEVER will be a Labradoodle at Crufts! "Designer Breeds" are nothing more than mutts with cute names. They completey go against everything real breeders stand for. BYB are ruining everything breeders have worked for over decades. This is a clip from a story about Crufts,
"Discover Dogs in Hall 3 is where you go to ... well, discover dogs. They've got all sorts - pony-sized dogs, rat-sized dogs, dogs that look like sheep, bald dogs, Bob Marley dogs. But they're pedigrees, all 190 of them, and there's a lot of resentment about the current craze for designer crossbreeds - puggles and bogles, chugs and dorgies, and of course the ubiquitous labradoodles. "It's getting out of hand now," says the poodle lady, a hairdresser by trade, who has the same style as her dog Crystal. "They're just doing it for money." Labradoodle pups go for between £600 and £1,000. The general consensus at Crufts is that pedigree is best, and crossbreeds are bullshiht (actually a bulldog shih tzu cross is called a Bullshih). Anyway, "it's pronounced 'sheed zoo'!" says the lady at the Shih Tzu stand, with undisguised exasperation. "It's such an honourable breed, it's awful people call them that. I'm always screaming at the television when they get it wrong."
Why dont you get your dogs spayed and neutered, theres already enough mutts out in the world today. But of course I know you will not listen to me but I want you to think about a few things first. Why do you want to breed? What do you plan on accomplishing by breeding the pair? Do both of your dogs have the appropriate health tests done? Do you plan on being responsible for all of the puppies the rest of their lives? These are just some questions you should answer before you even consider breeding.

Answer 3

Kep, I read your previous question and the responses. You have a couple of people there who are experienced breeders who gave you some straightforward advice.

You also had some people who gave you similar advice in more blunt terms.

I hope you don't take this response as negative because that's not my intent. However, posting questions and answers is a tough medium for feedback and things often are interpreted more harshly (and sometimes spot on) than intended.

Most of the people in the Dog section are going to be pretty adamant when it comes to the questions about breeding. This is a universal opinion held in the dog community at large - AKC etc. Breeding is only done by professionals for the love and improvement of the breed.

Now, with that said, what does that mean exactly? That's where the interpretation comes in. Most professional breeders show and screen their breed to make sure their dogs are the best of the best of the best. These dogs are and should be perfect. No genetic defects (hips, eyes, elbows etc are all screened and certified). There's more to it but that's a good start. Then, the dog has to be able to represent and "DO" what it was bred to do well. For example, a lab should have hunting and fielding titles. Plus, he should "look" the part. That means, he should conform to the breed standard as defined by the breed club.

I have 4 labs and a mix, 3 are rescues. 2 of my rescues have AKC papers and are well bred dogs. I also have a wonderful mix that think would be a great pet for the masses. But I'd never breed her cross. I love her as does everyone that meets her, but she should never become the next doodle or poo or whatever.

People here aren't trying to be negative. They aren't trying to be mean to you. They just love dogs. Most are like me, they probably volunteer or work at a shelter and see dogs dying. I see labs dying by the 100s. I can't save them. These are pure bred, many very very well bred dogs. I also see doodles dying in shelters now.

My mix is a doll. But it would kill me to think of her great grand children dying in a shelter. It could and would happen no matter what I'd do to prevent it. So I'd never try and create a breed.

I strongly urge you not to either.

I hope that was polite enough for you and you understand where I am coming from and what most of the others mean as well.

We just love dogs... that's all.

Answer 4

They have a registrations program called SCRUFFS for mixed breed dogs to join-it is not the same as being registered and able to compete in the show. They do it as a way to raise money for dog related charities in the UK. They even say on the site it is for mixed breed dogs.

People get upset because so many of the designer dogs are being passed off as something they aren't-allergy free (no, no dog is this), won't shed, won't get big-9 times out of 10 the person who gets the dog under these conditions ends up unhappy and the dog goes to a shelter. Why not just say I thought my dogs were cute and bred them. It's usually that or trying to make some money that motivates peopel to do this. Maybe you are the exception. But the truth is people are paying big money for a dog that they could rescue from most any shleter for a lot less. As long as the buyer is clear on what they are getting, I don't know that I am 100% against it-but I am disappointed that so many BYB take advantage of people who don't research this matter.

Answer 5

None of those you listed are actual breeds. Those "designer dogs" are really just mutts that people try to stick a cute name on to try to make a profit. Reputable breeders don't purposely breed mutts.

Here are just a few of the many questions to ask yourself before you breed your animal:
- Are you dogs registered with a *legit* registry (AKC, Canadian Kennel Club, etc.. scam agencies, like Continental Kennel Club, don't count.)
- Are your dogs the same breed?
- Have they had health/temperament checks?
- Do they meet the breed standards? Are you willing to show in confirmation shows to ensure so?
- What are their bloodlines like? Do you have champion bloodlines? (And multiple champions in the bloodlines, not just 1 champion that is three generations back.)
- Do you realize how much it costs to raise a litter of puppies? Even if you are selling dogs for $750-$1000 each (which would not be mixes, those dogs would be quality, purebred, registered dogs with good bloodlines), you will still likely lose money if you do it correctly/ethically.

I believe that your answers to those questions will prove you should NOT be breeding your dog.

Breeding should only be done to improve the breed, breeding only the best animals. And NOT purposely breeding mixed breeds! Even the majority of purebred, registered dogs should not be bred because they do not meet and exceed the standards of the breed.

Not to mention, you have no idea what the pups will turn out like when you're dealing with mixed breeds.

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If you aren't a reputable breeder, you're just a backyard breeder or a puppymill.

* http://www.21stcenturycares.org/backyardbreeders.htm

* http://mywebpages.comcast.net/NoPuppyMillsVA/Responsible_breeding/responsible_breeding.html

* http://mywebpages.comcast.net/NoPuppyMillsVA/What_is_a_Backyard_Breeder_/what_is_a_backyard_breeder_.html

* http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html

* http://www.almosthomerescue.org/whatisbyb/whatisbyb.htm

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I have absolutely nothing against mutts. They make great pets, and there are thousands, if not millions, waiting to be adopting at animal shelters all over the country. Please don't contribute to this problem.

Like I mentioned earlier, breeding should only be done to better the breed. Even the majority of purebred dogs should not be bred to another purebred of the same breed, because they do not meet and the breed standards.

Answer 6

Breeding labradoodles is not a good thing & because others do it never makes anything right. As someone has already said, they weren't shown as a breed at all.

Answer 7

No --there was no labradoodle exhibiting at Crufts. Those are not breeds you listed --they are mutts -- with no guarantees as to what they will be like.

England does allow mixed breeds (like the labradoodle to show in obedience competition) but not in the comformation part.

Your dogs will be happier and healthier if spayed and neutered --

Answer 8

The labradoodle was created to make a breed that people with dog allergies can own a dog....it serves a purpose

Answer 9

The other "breeds" you have mentioned will never become breeds that will be recognized by a kennel club, they are bred mostly as hybrids(F1 or first generation) inorder to make the claim of healthier dog, but if breeders try to breed the hybrid to the hybird then you create dogs with twice the genetic problems of the original purebreds and there are prople who end up buying the hybird pups and deciding to breed then together without understanding what genetic problems they are creating by breeding them together they then sell to someone and 6 months to 2 years down the road the buyer finds out the pup they got is going blind or needs a couple thousand dollar surgery so it can walk..


Yes.... some successful new breeds have been created but requires an extensive understanding and knowledge about genetics, they have to start with purebred parents who are the top specimens of their breed and DNA tested to ensure they are clear of genetic problems, they also have to study the 2 breeds they want to combine for compatibility to ensure they are not going to be creating new problems.

The silken windhound is a new breed introduction, 3 years of research went in before the first F1 pups were born, the person enlisted the aid of several borzoi breeders around the world to ensure genetic diversity after a few breedings a standard was decided upon with the goal to create consislyt bred dogs that looked alike, extensive records were kept on every dog born, every one was genetically tested to ensure they were not creating problems, with 15 years they had a large enough genetically diverse population to close the stud books which meant no more purebred borzoi or longhaired whippets could be used for breeding them, only the pups that did not meet their breed standard was sold as pets, all others went only to breeders inorder to develop the breed, and breeders had to have their mating pair genetically tested prior to breeding or the pups would not be recognized as silken windhounds, because of very controlled breeding, genetic testing and keeping extensive records on every dog produced, the silken is now recognized already by a couple kennel clubs as a breed and can be shown this was within 20 years of conception of the idea, many of the poodle mixes have been around a lot longer and nowhere near being considered, if lucky they may achieve in 50 years but only if the end up forming a registry and maintain strict records and decide on a stantard. , the average lifespan of the silken is 16 to 18 years with some living into the 20's , they were able to achieve the long lifespans because they started with the best champion genetically sound purebred parents and ensured they stayed on track by genetically tested all dogs and only approved breeding if the they were sound and had to prove of good temperament. The goal in this breeding was never to make a profit, it was a very expensive breeding process, they reason they chose to create this breed was in order to have a mid size sighthound with long hair to protect their very delicate skin thus creating a sighthound suited for more people but not as proned to injured like other meduim sized that existed, there breeding help to identify the the genes responsible in other sighthound breeds the result in serious medication sensitivities, which is now helping breeders of other types of sighthounds to improve their breeding stocks as there are now genetic tests available to identify which dogs medication problem will occur in

The current irish wolfhound is basically a recreation of a breed that became extinct which was formerly a war dog, but with less fercious temperament of the original .

The labrader retriever was a creation to produce an all purpose dog that could be family pet, small work horse with smaller appetite than the newfoundland and still hardy enough to handle cold water retrieval and rescue.

The is nothing really wrong with creating a breed but the reason should not be based on profit, there should be a legimate goal for doing so, and a lot of research should go into it before actually producing the first pups to ensure the breeds being used are compatible and will produce the desired affect without cauing additional problems for example a very short nosed pug known for breathing problems with a running active dog like a beagle which is a recipe for disaster they are totally incompatible and negligent for people to breed this combo together, start with only the best quality parents so as not to be breeding in problem genes. Both your dogs could possibly be carriers of a gene responsible for legge calve perthes which could result in pups whose femur head will literally rot away starting around 2 years old, it is a serious condition that is extremely painful or they may be carriers of genes the cause luxating patellas, or eye problems that can lead to blindness, so there is definite reasons why genetic testing is very important, your dogs may not have thoise problems but if they are both carrying the genes for these conditions the resulting pups could have., if you sell a pup and the buyer no longer wants it are you willing to take it back any time in it's lifetime

Good breeding comes with huge responsibilities and a lot of expense if you are going to do it correctly, unfortunately most people breeding mixes are not and that is why so many people responding are being so negative.

Answer 10

If they are close in size, then yes they could breed. It is better if mom is a bit bigger than dad just to make sure the puppies pass easily for her. It takes 63 days or 9 weeks for puppies to come after the breeding. Feed mom well and worm her during the pregnancy.

Ignore any nasty comments. People are arrogant and breed prejudice. Dog's aren't. They don't care about each other's pedigree. They just love. Be like the dog. It has more character. Good luck with the babies.