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Is there a catholic out there that can justify the change? Because I am sure that the Bible says that nothing on It can be changed.

2007-05-24 03:24:50 · 18 answers · asked by LawNerd 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. READ! and you will see.

2007-05-24 03:37:48 · update #1

For those who talk without knowing.

look at this site, and learn to read before talking

http://www.ovrlnd.com/Cults/missingcommandment.html

2007-05-24 03:50:55 · update #2

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She didn't. Check any Catholic Bible. I would like to remind you that "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" is one of the commandments.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/

2007-05-24 03:28:03 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 4 3

The Catholic Church did not change the 10 commandments. The commandments in Exodus chapter 20 are not numbered and Catholics number them differently.

From the Catechism of teh Catholic Church, the book that contains the official teaching of the Catholic Church, following is the first commandment:

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

I know that you might separate these into two commandments, but to the Catholic, these two ("No other gods" and "Do not bow to graven images") compliment each other so well.

2007-05-24 03:38:51 · answer #2 · answered by Sldgman 7 · 2 1

..this post contains direct qoutes from others Frist of all there are three lists used today and none of them are the same ,the jewish list being diffrent from the two christain lists.The catholic church has always accepted both lists as they both were from the writings of catholic saints,Augustine and Origen.
The Catholic Church decided to adopt BOTH versions as official versions, and that is still the case today ... something not many people know, but which can be verified by doing research into the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. To simplify things, it is the western (latin) part of the Catholic Church that uses the "Catholic" or "Western" ten commandments, and the eastern part of the Catholic Church that uses the "Protestant" or "Eastern" ten commandments ... long before any Protestants came along.
This is from our catectism..2066 The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in our eastren rite churches and the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.
It is perfectly acceptable for a Catholic to follow the Origen numbering system or the Augustine system. Each numbering system has its strengths and weaknesses. For example, the Origen system (that most Protestants use, except the Lutherans) lumps coveting your neighbor's wife under the commandment of coveting his possessions. But the opening chapters of Genesis make it plain in the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden that a woman is not a man's "possession" like a horse or livestock. He is the bone of his bones and the flesh of his flesh. (Gen 2:23)
The Septuagint is the oldest Old Testament we have. It is a Greek version of the Old Testament that was beginning to be translated around 285 BC. The Masoretic Text was not published until around 1050 AD. The Septuagint predates the Judean Masoretic Text by at least 1000 years. There are manuscripts of the Septuagint from the 4th century AD. Most Bibles today, such as the KJV, NASB, and NIV, translate the Old Testament from the Judean Masoretic text. However, the Septuagint is superior to the Masoretic text. It lists the Ten Commandments in a slightly different order.Remember this is the version that Paul and the apostales used and the one that is qouted in our bibles.The Latin Vulgate...first appeared on the scene in 404. The Latin Vulgate supports the CCC. Note that the date for this Bible predates any other Bible by over 1200 years
The early scriptures puts the Ten Commandments all together without division or numbering. (The verse numbers are no help since they were added by Bible scholars many centuries after Christ.)here are 14 imperatives within God’s charge, including three charges that are not considered commandments, neither by Catholic nor Protestant. Since the Book of Exodus does not tell us 'This is the first commandment', 'This is the second commandment' etc., judgment by humans must be given in their numbering. The Exodus version of the Ten Commandments actually consists of about two dozen instructions for human conduct.So although the Bible tells us that there are 10 Commandments, it does not tell us how they are numbered. Perhaps what falls where was not an essential thing. What is important is that we follow all of what is written in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21, not just the one sentence statements that we have numbered. If you want to split up the commandments into the smallest commandments possible, there are 11 commandments:

1. No other gods.
2. No idols.
3. No blasphemy.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honour your parents.
6. Do not kill.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet your neighbour's wife.
11. Do not cover your neighbour's goods.



Catholic/Lutheran
(As per Augustine, around 400 A.D.) Protestant/Orthodox Churches
(As per Origen around 200 A.D.)
1 I am the Lord your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me. I am the Lord thy God which brought thee out of the land of Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
2 You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in Vain. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3 Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4 Honour your father and your mother. Remember the Sabbath Day.
5 You shall not kill. Honor thy father and mother.
6 You shall not commit adultry. Thou shalt not kill.
7 You shall not steal. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. Thou shalt not steal.
9 You shall not covet your neighbour's wife. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 You shall not covet your Neighbour's goods. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house nor his wife nor anything that belongs to him.

2007-05-25 20:24:42 · answer #3 · answered by drewmat7 1 · 0 0

Sorry to stray, but Fireball, Paul keep every day, doesn't mean he did keep Sabbath.

The 10 commandment are complete law ( yes even the 4 commandment should be kept)(James 2:10). Now based on my research it doesn't seem that it was the Roman Catholic Church that changed it even thought they claim they did and CAN ( you guys should really consider what you are saying). But they did endorse thing like the Blue law ( you should look it up) and they didn't , as a powerful organization, try to set things right.

2007-05-24 03:39:35 · answer #4 · answered by Gman 1 · 1 2

The Ten Commandments in Scripture: Exodus 20-
1 Then God delivered all these commandments: 2 I, the Lord, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. 3 You shall not have other gods besides me. 4 YOU SHALL NOT CARVE IDOLS FOR YOURSELVES IN THE SHAPE OF ANYTHING IN THE SKY ABOVE OR ON THE EARTH BELOW OR IN THE WATERS BENEATH THE EARTH; 5 YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE THEM OR WORSHIP THEM. For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; 4 but bestowing mercy down to the thousandth generation, on the children of those who love me and keep my commandmentsl 7 You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain. For the Lord will not leave unpunished him who takes his name in vain.
8 Remember to keep holy the sabbath day. 9 Six days you may labor and do all your work,, 10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord, your God. No work may be done then either by you, or your son or daughter, or your male or female slave, or your beast, or by the alien who lives with you. 11 In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the Lord has blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12 Honor your father and your mother, that you may have a long life in the land which the Lord, your God, is giving you.
13 You shall not kill.
14 You shall not commit adultery.
15 You shall not steal.
16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male or female slave, nor his ox or ***, nor anything else that belongs to him.

Now, I would like you to go to your Bible, read Exodus 20, and tell me what commandments we've changed, because I've yet to find any Bible that doesn't list them that way. To the other Catholics here, are you starting to wonder if people are confusing the Beatitudes with the Commandments? I am.

2007-05-24 03:51:52 · answer #5 · answered by Kellye B 4 · 2 2

The devil gave the bible onto the human race to keep them in spiritual slavery... he keeps changing it to accommodate the developing conscience of humanity. He originally expected to keep control through roman catholicism.. which is his first church but he uses them all... if you look at the history of any church they don't always follow their commandment..no matter which ones they are especially the one about murder.... for the devil cares not about conscience but control through the spirit. the bible should have been discredited.. he's only interested in keeping the debate going on the spirit reflects our subconscious which is where he likes to control and hide...

2007-05-26 06:31:41 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

look - both the 'catholic' bible and the KJV are TRANSLATIONS from the original language - which was NOT english. the original language was merely translated in slightly different ways.. there are MULTIPLE versions of the Bible - why don't you check them ALL out and notice the slight differences.

your anti-Catholic bias is really showing....

2007-05-26 10:42:58 · answer #7 · answered by Daniel F 6 · 0 0

Jesus changed the ten commandments. Now there are only two. You know them.

Catholc doctrines and practices are for the love of God. Love is biblical. Especially the eucharist. It shows so much love from God that people can`t immagine or understand it. so they say it can`t be true.

But the veil was torn. And each time Catholics bow infront of the tabernacle, they know this.

"God is Love" - Benedict XVI.

2007-05-25 11:13:33 · answer #8 · answered by the good guy 4 · 0 1

There are actually three versions of the Ten Commandments, Jewish, Catholic (and Lutheran), and Protestant taken from Exodus Chapter 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy Chapter 5:6-21.

With the new revelations of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit in the early Catholic Church, a slightly different emphasis was placed on different commandments.

Then 1500 years later, the Protestant in objecting to certain Catholic practices, once again changed the emphasis of the Ten Commandments.

+ Jewish Ten Commandments (before 1000 BC)

1. I am the Lord your G-d who has taken you out of the land of Egypt.
2. You shall have no other gods but me.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your G-d in vain.
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
5. Honor you mother and father.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness.
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Source: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/Ten_Cmds/ten_cmds.html

+ Catholic (and Lutheran) Ten Commandments (about 100 AD)

1. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
3. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it, you shall not do any work.
4. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ***, or anything that is your neighbor's.

Source: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt1ind.htm

+ Protestant Ten Commandments (about 1600 AD)

1. You shall have no other gods but me.
2. You shall not make unto you any graven images
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5. Honor your mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

Source: http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm

With love in Christ.

2007-05-24 18:39:02 · answer #9 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 2 1

Sorry, you're wrong. Do some diligent research and you'll see the Church changed nothing.

Also, the website you listed is nothing but one big piece of error-ed, flawed, poorly researched drool.

God bless.

2007-05-26 04:08:10 · answer #10 · answered by Danny H 6 · 0 0

If the Catholic Church wanted to change it, they would have done it at 300 AD.

Good Luck!

2007-05-24 03:28:33 · answer #11 · answered by C 7 · 0 4

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