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2007-05-23 15:02:16 · 17 answers · asked by The Answer Guy 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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"Your question is really political, so try the other section."

WTF, no its not.

2007-05-23 15:11:31 · update #1

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The Bible does say that those who curse Israel will be cursed and those that Bless Israel will be blessed.

It absolutely does. "

I'll need a verse to prove this, and know its not just smoke being blown up my behind from a pastor"
Cause I heard this same thing before, and no verse was provided.

2007-05-23 15:13:44 · update #2

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"Move into the moder era:
Germany: gone."

last time I checked Germany is still there.

2007-05-23 15:15:33 · update #3

"Look at the nations down through history that have raised their hand against Israel.
Start with Egypt in the book of Exodus:
Egypt: gone.
Assyria: gone.
Babylon: gone.
Greece: gone.
Rome: gone."

Dude these countries are 2000 YEARS OLD ! Is it really that suprising that they are gone??

2007-05-23 15:16:48 · update #4

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"We believe it is best to be on Israel's side because of Rom. 15:27 "They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings."

Explain how your average american is enjoying Jewish spiritual blessings?

2007-05-23 15:26:57 · update #5

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It doesn't.
That was brought to you by the good folks down at the Dallas Theological Seminary, c. early 20th century.

2007-05-23 15:06:35 · answer #1 · answered by NONAME 7 · 0 2

I'm sorry I can't find it at this moment, but I do know that it is in Scripture that those who 'curse Israel shall be cursed and those who bless Israel shall be blessed'. Try looking in a large concordance, which I don't have readily available right now. I'm not sure that it is in the New Testament, however, as it seems to my poor memory that it may be in the Old Testament. But that is good enough for me, as I have always felt that we should support Israel. God Bless.

2007-05-23 15:14:01 · answer #2 · answered by hillbilly 7 · 1 0

It is true that God said to Abraham (not Jacob/Israel): "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse," in Genesis 12. However to apply this to the earthly & political government of Israel or even Jews today is a misuse of God's Word. If God said this to Abraham & Muslims are also his natural offspring through Ismael then shouldn't we then support all Muslim countries too (including Palestine)? It is based on similarly twisted presupposition of Millenialism (post, pre, dispensational, doesn't matter). The only truly Biblical view on eschatology is an Amillenial view.

The best treatment of this topic I've found is at: http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/amillennial.shtml. I personally am an LCMS Lutheran, & this organization is reformed, but as far as I can tell he uses honest & systematic exegesis (interpreting Scripture with Scripture), use of context (reading out of Scripture what the author meant, not reading into Scripture what you want or using your presuppositions) & hermeneutics (the art & science of interpreting texts using cross references & word studies).

To support Israel at the expense of the people of Palestine (no matter their religion, but there are Christian Palestinians by the way), at best makes it difficult to truly practice the Commandments "Thou shalt not steal." & "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's land, possessions or servants." (Ex. 20) which by the way also apply to Jews let's not forget.

Read Romans 9-11 carefully. Paul clearly sets up the case that the Israel of 11:26 is the Church, not the present state of Israel. Don't forget 9:6!

Warning: Don't read Revelation 20 without reading 21 & 22. Israel is the Chruch not the state of Israel.

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world." How much clearer can it get? (John 18:36). New heavens, new earth, NEW JERUSALEM (Rev. 22), not this one.

Watch out for theologies of Glory--that is that God will provide earthly glory to Christians. This is what millenialism is. A dangerous doctrine that leads people astray from keeping their eyes on the author & perfector of our faith, Jesus Christ & Him crucified. This is the Theology of the Cross, that we expect trouble in this world & glory only in the next through the blood of Christ alone.

One man said it well when he said, "Are we the Bride of Christ or the Concubine of Israel?"

2007-05-23 15:52:30 · answer #3 · answered by Sakurachan 3 · 1 1

You are probably referring to Gen. 12:3 "I will bless them that bless you, and curse them that curse you, and in you will all families of the earth be blessed."

We believe it is best to be on Israel's side because of Rom. 15:27 "They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings."

2007-05-23 15:22:54 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Speaking to Abraham, God said:
Genesis 12:3
"And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."
Look at the nations down through history that have raised their hand against Israel.
Start with Egypt in the book of Exodus:
Egypt: gone.
Assyria: gone.
Babylon: gone.
Greece: gone.
Rome: gone.
Move into the modern era:
Germany: gone.
USSR: gone.

Oh, nations remain with some of those names, but the peoples who attempted to touch the apple of God's eye have been cursed with curses.

2007-05-23 15:13:10 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

The Bible does say that those who curse Israel will be cursed and those that Bless Israel will be blessed.

It absolutely does.

Tim M is correct...soon to be Turkey gone

2007-05-23 15:12:09 · answer #6 · answered by pinkstealth 6 · 2 1

It doesn't.
It's just another one of Satan's wars that Jesus' prophesied about.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled: for these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places.
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of travail.

2007-05-23 15:05:53 · answer #7 · answered by rangedog 7 · 1 1

In Paul's letter to the Romans he states that when the gentile period is completed and the gospel of Christ is known throughout the world Israel will be restored.

Your question is really political, so try the other section.

2007-05-23 15:09:02 · answer #8 · answered by Thomas Paine 5 · 2 2

The salvation of Israel depends on their acceptance of the grace and truth of Jesus Christ and his universal church ... and on nothing else.

We bless Israel by preaching the gospel of salvation, just as St. Paul and the other apostles did. Without this, everything else is without meaning.

If and/or when Israel simply chooses to accept Jesus Christ, then God himself will do whatever is necessary to demonstrate his glorious kingship over Israel, and over the whole world.

Unitl that day comes, we have the same mess in Israel that has existed there since ancient times.

Jesus said this about the nation of Israel:

Mat 21:38 But the husbandmen seeing the son, said among themselves: This is the heir: come, let us kill him, and we shall have his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And taking him, they cast him forth out of the vineyard and killed him.
Mat 21:40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do to those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41 They say to him: He will bring those evil men to an evil end and let out his vineyard to other husbandmen that shall render him the fruit in due season.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? By the Lord this has been done; and it is wonderful in our eyes.
Mat 21:43 Therefore I say to you that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof.

St. Peter said this about Israel, and about the new covenant that replaced the old system of things, with the universal church that Jesus personally founded, authorized, empowered, and eternally guaranteed:

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore it is said in the scripture: Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious. And he that shall believe in him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 To you therefore that believe, he is honour: but to them that believe not, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner:
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling and a rock of scandal, to them who stumble at the word, neither do believe, whereunto also they are set.
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
1Pe 2:10 Who in times past were not a people: but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy: but now have obtained mercy.

Those who patronize the modern day state of Israel, instead of working to convert it, do so because they are in serious error, which has led them to abandon the truth of the universal church of Christ, the Catholic Church, and attempt to build their own alternative and false faith tradition on the scattered remnants of the fallen nation that claims to be "of our brother Juda, but is not."

This is the same as attempting to built a house on sand, and that, like the largely apostate, modern day state of Israel, is fruitless.

2007-05-23 15:37:14 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

I think that I can answer for certain Christians who are aware of future prophecy. We have all over the Old Testament future prophecies recorded in Ezekiel 38, 39, Zechariah 14, that tell of the side that God picked in the Middle East. Jesus returns to Israel to save it from their enemies. They will then:
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


The Jewish nation of Israel will recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Those that are against Israel and come to make war against them get this:
Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

It will take a long long time to clean up the bodies::
Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

So the support of Israel is based upon the same reasoning as a Christian reasons most things. They believe in what is said in the Bible, and they trust God for it.

2007-05-23 15:33:42 · answer #10 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 1 0

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