If you broke the law, and got a $10,000 fine, would you consider it amnesty?

Question

Why do people keep calling the immigration bill an amnesty bill? It makes no sense.

Answer 1

Most of the illegals will be eligible for the earned income tax credit which means that the citizens of the USA will be paying their fines. Plus, they do not have to pay back taxes, and they are being pardoned for their crimes of identity theft and using fake documents.

Rosemary Jenks' recent House testimony.

"People understand that rewarding illegal behavior will inevitably produce more illegal behavior. If I were to steal car, for example, and a highway patrol office pulled me over and wrote me a $2,000 ticket for stealing the car, but then told I could keep the car, as long as I paid the ticket, there would be a lot more car thieves once the word got out about my good fortune. The officer's actions would tell the public that the law against stealing cars is not taken seriously. The $2,000 ticket is simply a cost of doing business that will be built into decisions to break the law in the future."

Amnesty Defined

"The most helpful definition of amnesty I've seen is: Pardoning immigration lawbreakers and 'rewarding them with the objective of their crimes.' Thus, any legislation that rewards illegal aliens who came here for jobs by giving them a work permit is amnesty. It makes no difference whether they are granted temporary residence or green cards; whether they have to pay a fine or back taxes; whether they have to learn English and civics; or whether they have to 'touch back' across the border to launder their status. If the end result is that they get legal permission to work, it is amnesty."

Answer 2

It is objectively a partial amnesty bill because it does not begin by arresting and deporting people here illegally back where they came from and thereby making their lives totally miserable in stead of mildly unpleasant. The problems with this bill are that there is no guarantee that the fines will ever be paid. If illegal immigrants have broken one major law of our nation why not break another 5 or 10 years later? Who or what agency is going to enforce this Pandora's box of legislation? Who wants them here at all unless they will abide by all our laws? The fact is that upper class US citizens and very profitable large corporations and even the US government and its agencies employee these people and enable them to make 10-50 times what they could in their countries working less and in better conditions even if they could find employment in their countries. Make the fines so uncomfortable for anyone hiring an illegal alien and actually prosecute those employers and the problem will evaporate.

Answer 3

i do no longer think of there is any confusion right here. Your factor is easily taken. If we forgive lawbreaking, repeatedly, finally the criminal gadget breaks down. whether, i might argue that the subject isn't in the amnesty. that's in 2 issues. First, too many rules, and 2d no longer sufficient enforcement. If we had fewer rules approximately stupid issues like wearing seat belts or jaywalking, or scientific marijuana, regulation enforcement might have a lot extra time to concentration on intense offenses. additionally, if the guidelines we had have been issues that persons respected, that they had have extra appreciate for regulation enforcement, and as a result may well be extra probable to record issues. the subject with unlawful immigration isn't the amnesty. it extremely is the shortcoming of enforcement that we've had for two decades because of the fact the final amnesty. And that loss of enforcement is partly with the aid of team shortages. in actuality, they are so short staffed that they are able to't even technique place of work work for the persons who opt to come back right here or stay right here legally. probable a honest type of the illegals do no longer even comprehend that they are unlawful because of the fact of place of work work snafus. we'd desire to placed extra emphasis in this situation nationally. Our gadget is completely broken.

Answer 4

Interesting bit I heard today is that if the current bill passes then the illegals would be entitled a hearing before they are deported. This is very bad, because it will create a feeding-frenzy of lawyers to fight something that is not there today. Imagine hearing for a portion of the current 12 million illegals in the country today.
Openly, I am against the current bill. I would prefer to see steps toward "Law Enforcement" instead of creating laws that may or may not be intended to enforce.
Thoughts anyone?

Answer 5

If you raped a woman, and got fined 5000 Dollars , I would call it amnesty. but then again ,there is a reason you are a Clown. If I worked under the table , paid no income taxes, for
years, got to skate with a 5000 Dollar fine, The Woman ,I raped was America.

Answer 6

Because it is an Amnesty bill. It makes illegals 'legal' - *poof* your crime is forgiven!

The 'fine' (half what you mentioned) is paid over 8 years - about 50 bucks a month.

And, yes, if I owed $100,000 in back taxes for 20 years of working under the table, I'd have to be pretty happy with a 10k fine.

Answer 7

Yea, if I got a fine instead of having my *** kicked out of the country I'd call it amnesty.

Answer 8

The government has absolutely NO intention on EVER collecting these alleged "fines." That's just a "feel good phrase" put in to placate the dissenters.

These are the same people who claim that we can't afford to deport them, have NO WAY TO TRACK THEM, and can't round them all up!! But we're supposed to believe that they can track them to be able to collect the FINES? And the fine is more like $5-6K, paid over like a 8-10 year period.

Can't track them down to deport them , but won't have a single glitch in getting the fines out of them??

Sorry doesn't pass the smell test!

Answer 9

Amnesty means eliminating any offense or crime of a person without any penalty or fine. Thus, the amnesty bill is not really an amnesty because there is a fine to pay for income generation.

Answer 10

I think you're missing one of the loop holes there buddy! The people who will get this amnesty can claim finacial hardship and/or famiy burdon alllowing them to postpone or even avoid the bill completely and will would be exempt from having to pay the fee, or did you miss that part of the bill.