ATHEISTS- EVOLUTIONISTS and OTHERS: THE VERY FIRST ANYTHING CAME FROM?

Question

SInce I note in this forum that Atheists, and other beliefs act like Chrsitians are completely ignorant, brainwashed, and slow because they believe in GOD and a MIND that was the original start to it all. Who or WHAT started it all with your theory or belief? And don't tell me anything that you will turn around and say "WELL CHRISTIANS believe GOD came from nothing" I am asking you to say how it all started.
Reality is when it all comes down YOU are NO DIFFERENT, NO LESS IGNORANT, NO MORE INFORMED, NO SMARTER, NO MORE BOOK WISE, than any Christian because you believe something came from nothing... but I'm curious to see what your responses are.
Try not to get emotional and defensive and stick to the question if at all possible. Thanks in advance.

I just want to thanks all those who gave me an honest answer without being defensive. I appreciate that. I use CAPS to emphesize my words, normally I would use a BOLD, but I don't have that option here. NOTE even my title is in Caps.
Me? I'm a Searcher, I don't make a solid claim to anything but am more inclined to Christianity. I remain open and looking for answers in life about life in general.
Again I say thanks! Have a fantastic night.

Answer 1

I don't think she insulted anyone, she asked a question because she sees one side being attacked - and called all those names she typed in CAPS for emphasis... it's amazing to me that there's a whole lotta great answers from atheists and other theories on here, that I can commend, on the honesty, but always a few folks that want to nit pick and get defensive, even if they have to pretend reasons.... ;)Caps doesn't always = yelling it can also = emphasis particularly when theres no BOLD option.

Answer 2

The theory of evolution was not meant to answer this question. It works with the adaptation of living organisms AFTER they have been "created" or begun their existence. The theory has absolutely no evidence in its body to support OR deny the existence of one or more divine beings.

Scientists have many different theories as to how the earth and other planets first came to be--among them, the Big Bang Theory, possibly one of the most well known. There are others, however, that deal with time warps, wrinkles in space-time, etc. but they all almost invariably fall into the 'physics' category. PHYSICS, not BIOLOGY (under which evolution falls) covers the beginning of the world and the physical universe.

As for the first life form to exist...I do not believe I have enough knowledge to give an educated and respectable answer. If mental functions in the sense we think of them know are caused by neurons, electrical impulses and the like, then perhaps materials reacted, chemically, to one another in just the right manner to create sentient beings.

However, this leads back as to the question of where the original materials, particles...came from. I don't know enough about physics or the other sciences to respond. But I am very certain there is some sort of scientific explanation for the whole matter, however fantastic and incredible the explanation might be.

Answer 3

Are you talking about life or the universe and everything?


It has been shown (e.g. the famous Miller experiment) that amino acids can form spontaneously. Early proto-life was likely a collection of RNA-like material, or just something that could self-organize the RNA does today and, also like modern RNA, act as a catalyst. This is a hotly debated topic, but it's considered a very plausible explanation.

All matter in the universe came from the Big Bang, which no knowledgable person disputes. Evidence for the Bang is plentiful, including an expanding universe and cosmic background radiation and the fact that every way we date the universe gives us about the same number (~15 billion years, give or take a little). It makes little sense to talk about *before* the Bang, because time came about then, as well. We can even chart what happened a few fractions of a second after the Bang.

There was no intelligence behind the beginning of the universe, just as there was no intelligence behind the first life.

Answer 4

We don't pretend to know everything, but i am tired of you righteous christians attacking us all the time.
Hey, we can't possibly know that. You're asking an un answerable question. I can try though, and play your little game, for what it's worth.
Where everything came from ... hmm.. what youre really asking is where the nothingness went. The answer is, of course there never was nothingness.
It's like looking down a microscope, at a little cell, and saying "well, where did you come from"? except backwards. in the same way that each microscope was formed from dna, and proteins, to make us up out of things that were already there, i believe that the natural order of things (gas and dust forming into a planet, which revolves around a sun that was formed out of a massive rock collision , etc.) to form, perhaps something else entirely in the bigger picture of things. for that matter, it's an endless circle of order. perhaps the universe itself goes through a series of evolutions. Why does life create itself? because it's had such a long time to experiment, random happenings and natural laws such as gravity, electromagentism, and others, over eons and eons have great chances to make organized structure. The reason why we dont see these failed natural experiments, is because they dont last very long. Why? That, I can't pretend to know for sure. Perhaps some sort of colossal entity is looking at us through a microscope right now.

But we cant be sure because it's like saying "what came before cave?" when we are all cavemen and dont have the proper tools or knowledge to even fathom such an answer as that. That being said, i don't trust the church system. They already control massive amounts of people around the world and I dont like it when organizations control people.
The only problem i have with the bible itself is that it's just as valid or believable as any other religion out there, including scintology, because NONE of us know what happened for real, not even a best-seller like the bible.

Answer 5

I'm really not sure if you are asking about the universe,origin of life, evolution, the age of the world or what exactly. If you could be a bit more specific in your question, I will try and give an honest, evidence based answer. I will explain it in laymans terms, and not just give you a 'copy and paste' job.

Your "question" really rambles on and is quite emotional, accusatory and defensive in nature. (Pot? meet Kettle) Not the best way to win friends and influence people. Try shortening it up, think hard about what you really want to ask, lose all the CAPS and try again.

The bottom line is, science doesn't claim to have all the answers, only religion has the hubris to do that. And if you really want to get good answers to all of those questions, you should be asking in the relevant science categories, like biology, astronomy, cosmology etc. Thats' where the real scientists hang out. I'm just a well read over-educated atheist with a science background, and a sarcastic sense of humour, but I'm not a working scientist.

What we do claim is an objective method of looking at and investigating the natural world, then making predictions based on our observations. We also agree that intense challenge and questioning of our ideas and assumptions is central to the scientific method. Many scientists spend a lot of their time trying to prove somebody else wrong.

Answer 6

I do not know how everything was created or if the matter in the universe has always been in the universe. We will probably not know for an extremely long time, if ever. I think it is possible that there could be a god that created everything, but I doubt that there is one. My guess is that whatever happened to start the universe (if it hasn't always existed) happened without planning. And a lot of the time when atheists say that Christians are not smart I think they are trying to say that atheists seem to question ideas until they are proven more than Christians do.

Answer 7

"Reality is when it all comes down YOU are NO DIFFERENT, NO LESS IGNORANT, NO MORE INFORMED, NO SMARTER, NO MORE BOOK WISE, than any Christian because you believe something came from nothing... but I'm curious to see what your responses are.
Try not to get emotional and defensive and stick to the question if at all possible."

LMFAO.

Man, your arrogance problem really got you into a spot here, didn't it?

Honestly admitting that we don't know where everything came from is FAR less ignorant than claiming to know...and then pulling out the old "it was magic!" fairy tales.

We are different. We're smarter. We're more honest. We're less ignorant. This is a night-and-day difference, and I'm afraid you're the benighted one.

Answer 8

This is more easily understandable if one considers the actual scale of the components of an atom. If one takes into account the fact that the neutrons, protons and electrons of an atom actually have huge spaces between them it becomes clear that the atoms that make up seemingly solid objects are made up of 99+ percent empty space.

This alone does not seem too important till you add the idea that the atoms that make up seemingly solid objects are more of a loose conglomeration that share a similar attraction but never really touch each other.

At first glance this does not really seem relevant, but closer analysis reveals that this adds a tremendous amount of empty space to solid objects that are already made up of atoms that are 99 percent space. When so-called solid objects are seen in this light it becomes apparent that they can in no way be the seemingly solid objects they appear to be.

We ourselves are not exceptions to this phenomenon.

These seemingly solid objects are more like ghostly images that we interpret as solid objects based on our perceptual conclusions.

From this we must conclude that Perception is some sort of a trick that helps us to take these ghostly images and turn them into a world we can associate and interact with. This clever device seems to be a creation of our intellect that enables us to interact with each other in what appears to be a three dimensional reality.

I hope that helps to answered your question.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 9

Well, there are little non-living cells today that were probably the first ones, and their tiniest functional parts must have been chemical accidents (or miracles, however you look at it) that held the basic instincts of 1) SURVIVE and 2) REPRODUCE, because those instincts are the basis of everything alive. Remember that we are made of tiny non-living particles, and that the line between what is alive and what is not is purely speculative.

--in addition, I wanted to comment on someone earlier's post that there is no informed scientific debate on the big bang- there certainly is, it's a debate in science--

Answer 10

I'm no atheist, but I left Christianity behind long ago.

The fact is that nobody knows! Christians 'believe' that it is the God of Abraham, Jesus, etc. but there is no proof.

Nobody has any proof of any concept of where the 'start' button for all we have came from, so the best we can do is appreciate being here and live each moment as if it were precious, because it is all we've got. (Remember, there's no PROOF that anything comes after this.)

Got it?