I'm afraid i don't know the atheist arguments against God as the First Cause?

Question

Can somebody explain this to me or even give me a website so i can be informed?

Alright, we'll call it the unmoved mover.

You can find it right under the "I answer that:"

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm

So the atheist defense is that one of two things is eternal: God or the universe. Atheists just flipped a coin and said "we choose the universe".

Answer 1

Google or Wikipedia it. It's been dealt with all the way back to David Hume. Basically, If God caused the world, what caused God? If God doesnt' need a cause, why then does the Universe?

Answer 2

Let's say that everything must be created, and that was done by an omnipotent god. A god which stands above time, space, moral and existence, which is self containing and in it self has it's own cause. This entity can surely be replaced by the known world. The world stands above time, space, moral, existence, is self containing and in it has it's own meaning. Most theists agree that god has a nature. Then we must raise the question, who created god's nature? If we just accept that god has a nature and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?

God is not really an explanation, only a non-explanation. It is impossible to gain information from non-information so God as an explanation is a dead end. When we have said that the reason for something is that 'god did it that way' there is no way to understand it any further. We just shrug our shoulders and accept things as they are. To explain the unknown by god is only to explain how it happened, not why. If we are to investigate the world and build our views of life from the world, we cannot assume a god. Because adding god as an explanation leaves as many, if not more questions than it explains, god has to be removed with Occam's razor if we are serious in investigating the world.

Answer 3

As far as I know the argument is twofold:

1) Creationists say there had to be a first cause, and that this first cause had to be God.
Who created God, asks the atheist. Nothing, answers the creationist - God is eternal.
Then can't the energy and matter in the universe be eternal? It's a less complicated assumption than a God who created it from nothing.

2) Notwithstanding the above, if there was a First Cause, how does one narrow this down to, say the God of the Bible or that of the Quran? That's making far too many assumptions. It could very well be some cosmic entity that started off the universe into existence and then just sat back and watched. In which case believing and worshipping such a "God" is of no use whatsoever.

Answer 4

http:/www.freethought.org
http:/www.atheists.org
http:/www.infidels.org
http:/www.atheistalliance.org

and, although i haven't read it all the way, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism seems to have a pretty good definition of atheism.

the atheist view is generally either exceptence of the big bang theory, which i don't believe in it's entirety, or that we can't really know how the known universe began for lack of information on the time beforehand. we say that no god could have done it for a few reasons. a. it seems rather unlikely that no universe existed beforehand, but that a god did, just kinda hanging out in nothingness. b. if there was an all-knowing, all-powerful god, (s)he would know even what (s)he would ever do, say, or think, effectively elliminating choice, and therefor power. c. there is no evidence to support the belief that a god did cause everything. (s)he hasn't told me, and even if (s)he did, i don't think i'd believe it. unless this was a form of a simulation, at which point this god could know everything about our universe, but would be ignorant of many things within his or her own.

Answer 5

The argument is that an uncaused cause doesn't explain anything. They would also ask "If God can exist without being caused by something else, why can't the universe?" This why appeal to a First Cause doesn't really help. And even if one proves the existence of a first cause, this doesn't prove anything about the cause's attributes, and so it is unclear that the first cause could be specifically shown to correspond to a particular definition of "God".

Answer 6

I simply cannot understand why the individual religious orientations cannot be accepted. I am an atheist, and I do not argue against anything. Arguments are non-productive, and no one wins.
I accept any religious belief structure an individual has embraced. As an atheist, no discussion about god is necessary. I simply don't believe there is a god. Discussion will not inspire me to change my philosophy. Just use your search engine to find "atheism".

Answer 7

There is no argument. Atheists don't believe in God because the only 'proof' that exists is a contradictory book written by humans.

I should also point out that not all atheists have the same reasons for not believing in God. It isn't like a religion. They don't believe in a God but may have different reasons.

Answer 8

I think we need to see the proof for god as the first cause before we can refute it

That's how science works

Answer 9

Atheists do not believe in god.

Answer 10

God is not. PROVE he/she is. You don't need a web site.

You can't. Atheists win. Question answered/ Problem solved.

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