Chapter 41 of the Nazirene Gospel (verses 10-13), which was removed from the Bible by the Gentile-Roman Church, says...
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10.And there was a certain man who was blind from his birth. And he denied that there were such things as sun, moon, and stars, or that color existed. And they tried in vain to persuade him that other people saw them; and they led him to Jesus, and He anointed his eyes and made him see.
11.And he greatly rejoiced with wonder and fear, and confessed that before he was blind. And now, after this, he said, I see all, I know everything, I am a god.
12.And Jesus again said to him, How can you know all? You can't see through the walls of your house, nor read the thoughts of your fellow-men, nor understand the language of birds, or of beasts. You can not even recall the events of your former life, conception, or birth.
13.Remember with humility how much remains unknown to you, yes, unseen, and doing so, you may see more clearly.
2007-05-23 05:33:55 · 18 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Please tell me your opinions/ideas about this particular verse.... Thanks!
2007-05-23 05:34:01 · update #1
For those that don't know how to do research on their own... Here is a link to the book::
http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Nazirenes-Alan-Wauters/dp/0964458411/ref=sr_1_1/002-3428415-3986406?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179939455&sr=8-1
2007-05-23 05:58:52 · update #2
It even gives us a hint as to the kinds of things our minds can be opened to in the process of spiritual progression/enlightenment (eg understanding the language of birds...). I guess Jesus knew that it was possible to have this kind of spiritual discernment, and he probably had these gifts himself. What a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing these verses with me, One Love!
I just want to add my opinion about the idea that such teachings are "unbiblical"...
Ecclesiastes 12:7 refers to our spirit "returning" to God:
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
How can we "return" to God if we have never been with him?
(I believe we existed as spiritual beings before this life... ie this scripture is not referring to reincarnation.)
As you know, the Bible is by definition, a >>collection<< of holy writings, put together without the benefit of direct revelation or authority from God (since all the apostles had died by that time).
This suggests to me the need to be open-minded in approaching Biblical teachings, and also to find a more reliable source for discerning truth than an appeal to the written word, using logic alone.
The Bible suggests an inner source for discerning truth.... the Holy Spirit - our connection to God, and the same connection that the ancient prophets had, when they "heard the voice of the Lord".
God knows so much, and we know so little. Why would a God of infinite knowledge and love, give us only one source of inspiration...so very finite? Look into your hearts, my friends....
Added: I accept the possibility that Jesus learned from more than just the Jewish leaders. He may well have learned from Hindus, etc, and pondered all these things in his heart, and used the Spirit of God as his guide, or even spoken about his learning with angels. Jesus' understanding of spiritual truths was a gradual thing (See Luke 2: 52).
Having attained all of these deep truths, and deep spiritual gifts of discernment, how logical is it to assume that Jesus lied about who he was (the Son of God) or his mission (to offer himself as a payment for offended justice). A person of such deep spirituality would not be capable of lying. My heart tells me that it is true... Jesus really was/is the Saviour of mankind.
2007-05-23 09:27:03 · answer #1 · answered by MumOf5 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Fascinating.... I find the part about former life, conception and birth particularly interesting, I have thought for a long time that the Christ understood the concept of reincarnation, and that some of his teachings were about how to transcend the wheel, and get to Nirvana quicker, by burning off bad Karma in this life through prayer, meditation, and good works...
Wish I could afford to buy a copy of that on amazon, will definitely have to keep an eye out for one I can afford..... Do you know the source of this version of the Gospel, where that author got it from? Are these some of the passages that were removed by the council of Nicea? Especially like the last line of the passage, how it sums "things" up.......I do agree with Jaicee though, that it could be referring to a former lifetime, or a pre-incarnate state on the other side, or even his "former" life as a blind man prior to his re-birth as a sighted man.....(but I honestly do believe that some of the Christ's teachings were about reincarnation...) Excellent metaphors in this passage about "enlightenment", and about how one can make a breakthrough, and see some things he hasn't seen before, and think that the seeing of those things has made him "enlightened", when there are still so many things he hasn't seen yet, and still so far from the big picture, that is not uncommon.....
2007-05-23 07:20:02 · answer #2 · answered by beatlefan 7 · 5⤊ 0⤋
Interesting. Hinduism is the oldest known religion on earth and currently has the third largest following I hear. So given that Jesus had some education, lived in an area where he would meet people from different lands ( he spoke to a lot of people...you don't think he listened to them too?), and that he did travel, it is hard to believe he had no contact with Hinduism or other beliefs appart from Judaism.
There are those that believe his teachings were influenced. I find that plausable. I do believe he really lived, but I see him a someone who strived to unite people under one belief. But the who and the how of recording his teachings and deeds is very shaky. These texts that were left out in my opinion have just as much validity as the bible which was not assembled as a formal text unto itself until some three hundred years after the death of Jesus.
So it is all interesting to me.
Thank you for posting this for us to look at!
Peace and as much history as we can find!
2007-05-23 08:00:59 · answer #3 · answered by Jamie 4 · 4⤊ 0⤋
I think people can feel free to have the opinion that they want. They should be able to express there opinion, and those who listen (which should be lots of people) should have an open mind, and maybe change there opinion. Some opinions may not turn into anything, but it doesnt mean there worthless. Even if nobody treasures your opinion, you should. Its what makes you who you are.
2016-04-01 04:16:03 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Nice try, but this is a fake. There is no such Gospel that was ever a part of any canon of Scripture from ancient Christianity. There are small quotations remaining from early Jewish-Christian Gospels such as the Gospel according to the Hebrews or the Gospel of the Ebionites, but this is not from any of these ancient sources.
Did you make this up yourself, or were you taken in by some web page?
2007-05-23 05:46:16 · answer #5 · answered by jamesfrankmcgrath 4 · 2⤊ 4⤋
Can one " see " the emotions of Love...not from the face....not from touch or words. . . yet truly " see " Love.
That which is not seen is still Known to be so. That Known is known to be Truth . . . The " voice " of the soul " speaks " it to be so. It simply IS. How is this known ? The " voice " of the heart...of the soul " speaks " strong and clear . . . there is no doubt.
The soul " sees " with no eyes . . . feels with no touch . . . hears with no audibly heard sound. The soul is unseen. . . yet powerfully simply IS.
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2007-05-23 07:36:30 · answer #6 · answered by onelight 5 · 4⤊ 0⤋
thats odd bc usually christianity has to deal with going to heaven after death yet jesus in here says that the man cant remember his past life... that makes me wonder about the word of the "new" bible and why was it taken out... why was the faith changed??? why would jesus talk about joining god in the everlasting life of the kindom of heaven and yet tell this man, that his previous life is one he doesnt know... i know that humility is a virtue to the sin of pride... the man is prided that he can see, but jesus wants him to be more humiliated by the fact that there is more to see than just what the eyes see...
this was a good thinkin thing thanks
2007-05-23 05:41:26 · answer #7 · answered by red.one9luv 2 · 4⤊ 1⤋
It's exquisite. I'm assuming however that you are hoping we'll notice the paragraph twelve reference to former life. If that's the case, former life could mean several things. I prefer to understand it as soul in undifferented form, before assuming an individuality at our conception and association with our material body.
2007-05-23 05:46:12 · answer #8 · answered by jaicee 6 · 4⤊ 1⤋
I think it is amazing and clearly understand why it was removed. Most likely because if speaks of reincarnation and the Church wanted to suppress this as much as possible.
2007-05-23 05:51:20 · answer #9 · answered by reverendrichie 4 · 7⤊ 1⤋
You have to take a verse like this with a grain of salt. Since the Church doesn't deem the "Nazirene Gospel" as being authentic we must conclude that it can (and most likely does) contain falsehoods.
2007-05-23 05:37:24 · answer #10 · answered by stpolycarp77 6 · 2⤊ 4⤋