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Question

I see great evidence to support both evolution AND intelligent design. Only a closed minded fool can ingnore the evidence for EITHER one. Though I don't completely support either one, I am also not foolish enough to say that one is fact and one is not. For instance name just one transitional form found that has been scientifically proven to be a transitional form, and I am not referring to anything on the micro-evolutionary level because intelligent design supports this due to the scientific proof that supports it. Each time one is found, it has been proven by science to be a forgery, the reptillian bird of 1999 found by a chineese farmer for example was merely a bird's head that this farmer fused to some body parts of a reptile. Darwin said that within 100 years if not one single transitional form was found out of the billions of fossils in the earth, then his whole theory should be scrapped and man should start over. Where are they? Supply a link on here if you know of one.

Answer 1

LOL!!! Man you ruffled some feathers with this one Johnny! Hope you check out the links the individual put up because there is absolutley NO proof of a verifiable transitional form there. The girl who said this "isn't even a question" apparently can't recognize a "?" when she sees one. I especially liked the comment from the guy who said "Darwin doesn't decide how science works" lol!!! Then WHY believe what he said about evolution. And again he only used the micro-evolutionary level as an example which only proves that each animal or species adapts or "evolves" after it's own kind and NOT from another. Good one and for all those who may read this, the same question was posed on the nightline face off and they could not SHOW any scientific proof of one either. Peace

Answer 2

The true fallacy is the pre-supposition of a need for transitional form .Show me the transitional form between the engines that powered the Me -109 & the Me-262 of WW2 fame or the engines that powered the B-29 and the B-47. There are none
If you were some future archeologist you would drive yourself crazy looking for transitional engines between the 18 cylinders per engine of the B-29 and the zero cylinders per engine of the B-47 and yet we know that that evolution did happen.
How you you explain that to your grad students of the future ?
All evolution regardless of what is evolving follows the same four steps
1) After many failures the Thing finally works
2) The permutation phase; trying out all possibilities to discover what will work and what wont.
3)The arrival at the prototypical best form for the Thing -all future variantions will evolve using this basic form
4) Refinement to arrive at the most elegant expression of that basic form
Once step # 4 is reached further evoluttion is not necessary.
If environmental factors change significantly repeat steps 2-4
Evolution does not have to happen incrementally it can and does happen in leaps and leaps won't leave a transitional fossil simply because there are none to leave.
To the guy above me:
You missed the point;
Air-cooled piston aircraft engines did evolve and there is a very long and linear timeline complete with requisite transitional engines to prove it all. Then the world changed and turbine engines were the next step in engine evolution. The evolutionary step wasn't incremental but rather a leap of technology.
You are correct in saying that engines were CREATED . You then infered by parallel logic that people needed a Creator also .
The problem is of course that you didn't take the last logical step: Which is that the Creator needed a Creator also . It has been argued often on this forum that it is quite impossible for something to come from nothing yet the theist readily accept the idea that if one is referring to God that is in fact exactly what happened. How can that be ?

Answer 3

Actually, all the evidence for "Intelligent Design" has been refuted... sorry, try again.

As to evolution, why do you think they use a different formula for flu shots every year? The virus mutates and thus it "evolves" - this is an extremely important example of evolution that has life-saving medical applications. The DNA (or RNA) in the virus changes and over time the virus becomes a different virus. Like it or not, this is proof that evolution occurs. BTW: Darwin knew nothing about DNA. It was discovered in 1898, but the structure (which revealed its genetic importance) wasn't discovered until the early 1950's. DNA is the "slam dunk" that proves evolution is VERY real, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or in denial of what is the way God's universe of life really works. Therefore even if Darwin said what he did about not finding a transitional fossil for the next 100 years (I don't know) Darwin doesn't get to decide how science works, especially not in the 21st Century. We don't need a transitional fossil anymore - we can observe the genetic transistions in the laboratory that prove the reality of what evolution REALLY means - a change in species over time.

Answer 4

Searching for immediate forms is rather a troublesome task. Given organism A and organism B, one can always see an organism C in between, and then we ask, what's between organism A and C? Then we see organism D, then we ask, what's midway between organism A and D? And we see organism E, and so on and so forth, until such time we do not see any thing between organism A and Z because maybe the opportunity of leaving behind fossils was not afforded to the organism between A and Z. Animals leaving behind long lasting fossils is a very rare occurrence. We could not expect the whole earth to be filled with tar pits where animals and plants would be preserved for us to see. And the occurrence of us finding these rare fossils is even more rare! We cannot expect our paleontologists to dig under every mountain and household in the world.

There is a "missing link" between the monkey and the humans, and they are the great apes. There is a link between the great apes and the humans, and they are the hominids. Now, because we cannot "fill all the missing links" does nothing to decrease the merit of the theory of evolution. It only shows how much desperate are those who want to discredit the theory of evolution.

Science is the art of questioning. There is a point where questioning is good and healthy, and there is a line where you cross and you become just one blabber mouther asker.

Answer 5

"intelligent design supports this due to the scientific proof that supports it"

So ID can incorporate scientifically proven ideas, yes?

Then read some real science. Not the silly pseudo-science they provide on the creationist sites. There's plenty of evidence for transitional forms.

Archaeopteryx, 1864. Darwin's test was passed with 98 years spare.

Answer 6

Give me a freaking break, you're listening to the creationist disinformation about fossils and forgery. There are literally hundreds of thousands of transitional fossils for many many species including hominids. Stop paying attention to the bogus pseudo-science baloney and go take some courses at a major University that has a decent anthropology department. Many Universities have examples of transitional fossils on campus that you can actually look at, touch, and analyze to help you understand how evolution actually works.

Answer 7

You clearly haven't seen as much evidence for evolution as you state, otherwise you wouldn't be asking such an ill informed question about it..!
You are already towing the I.D. party line with the misinformation and psuedo science rhetoric you have dribbled..

And WHAT evidence is the for intellegent design?
You have already made up your mind here, don't kid yourself, and your not kidding me..!!

Here you go, there's plenty of facts here for you to deny with any petty and hollow pro intellegent design arguments..:
www.talkorigins
www.sciam.com
members.aol.com/darwinpage/hominid.htm

You are telling lies to promote your beliefs, so think about that for a moment. Why would you feel you have to do that..??

Answer 8

I used to be given the answer you now support, intelligent design designed evolution. It worked until the entire concept of an omnipotent creator being is thrown into the mix and then it becomes wholly illogical. You can't pick and choose what you use to "prove" your logic either.

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Answer 9

Intelligent design is just an example of creationist backpedaling. Christianity continues little by little to give ground to science and as such has doomed itself to eventual extinction.

Answer 10

Are you just trying to be PC, without really thinking about your words? There is zero evidence of ID, because it is not science. Even IDiots recognize that. What is your story?