Is JESUS a part of the GOD of the OLD TESTAMENT ?

Question

The Son or Father commanded the DEATH penalty for a poor man who collected firewood on the sabbath ?

"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp." So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses." Numbers 15:32-36 NAB


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Answer 1

The old testament is about things that happened before Jesus was born, as the son of man. The new testament follows Jesus and his teachings. They are one in the same, father, son, holy ghost.

Answer 2

I assume you are using this story from the Old Testament as an example for your question, as to whether Jesus was a part of God in the Old Testament. The answer is yes. God never changes, and he has always been a triune God (3 in 1). Father, Son, and Holy Spirit encompass the one Holy God from all of time, it is sometimes confused because Jesus was not made manifest until he came to the earth and became a man. You can see the Holy Spirit at work in the Old Testament from creation and up through the time of Jesus with the use of phrases like "God's Spirit". Look to John 1 for testament that Jesus was there from the beginning and was one with God when he created the heavens and the earth.

Answer 3

Jesus IS the God of the Old Testament.
The camp of Israel was in a unique situation. They were wandering in the desert for 40 years. To ensure the survival of the group, there needed to be strict enforcement of all the laws. If not, there would have been chaos and anarchy.
The man broke the law and received the prescribed punishment. It sounds harsh, but that was reality then.
I'd like to see you successful lead a group of thousands through the desert for 40 years.

Answer 4

If we understand religion as progressive and relative to the time and place in which it was revealed, the idea of God being understood different ways at different times among different people of different cultures is easier. The revelation is suited to the capacity of the hearer. It is the people's cultural and spiritual limitations that determine how the revelation is presented. We understand this concept when we think about schools. Teachers of the various grades have the same basic education, the same basic knowledge, yet they adjust what they reveal to their students based on the age and capacity of the students. For example, first graders get arithmetic, middle schoolers algebra, and high schoolers more advanced algebra and calculus. The first grade teacher may know calculus, but she doesn't teach it to first graders because of their limited capacity to understand it. She teachers arithmetic because they can get it and it can benefit them.

Answer 5

There were a lot of strict laws during that time. We can never assume to know why. Those people were to survive and they had to have strong, clear faith in order to do it. Remember that during that time the people could actually see a pillar of smoke hanging around the outside of Moses' tent at all times. If they didn't listen at the precise moments that they needed to, they would have perished. They were also told to not eat pork. Have you even seen someone eaten alive by intestinal worms? Ask Nero. They didn't cook food too well back then.
Jesus was always referred to as the 'Son of Man' even in the vision of Ezekiel (Old Testiment).

Answer 6

The difference is ,these people agreed to be put under the law.Abraham lived by faith.When asked if they wanted to go under the law they said ,"All that the Lord tells us ,we will do".
Guess what ? The lesson is,you can't live up to the law,it is unbending,inflexable.No one can.That's why we need a Savior.He was the only one to keep the law perfectly and was a substitute for us.Now,we can live by grace through faith again much like Abraham did.

Answer 7

The old laws were given by God himself to his people through moses....Mosaic law was insanely strict for his people....Direct communication.....no need for a Christ figure.....Good thing we no longer live under those laws as Christians today......Jesus WAS a part of the trinity in the old testament, but was not called Jesus, but rather Emanuel, and also was thought to be another form of Elijah that ascended into the Heavens on chariots of fire.

Answer 8

The first encounter with the Angel of the LORD is found in Ge 16:6-16 (click to read the Scripture in context remembering that context is "king" in interpretation) where we learn that this Angel is God and that He appears at a time of great distress to fulfill the need (cf Phil 4:11-13).

In Genesis 16:10, the Angel of the LORD promised to multiply Hagar's descendents, which is something that only God could promise and fulfill (cf similar promise given to Abram in Gen 13:16 15:5).

Genesis 16:10 Moreover, the Angel of the LORD said to her, "I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count."

When the Angel appeared to Hagar, she acknowledged that she was in the presence of God, referring to the Angel of the LORD as El Roi, (el = God; ) the-God-Who-Sees (cf Pr 15:3, omniscience).

Genesis 16:11 The ANGEL of the LORD said to her further, "Behold, you are with child, and you will bear a son; and you shall call his name Ishmael, because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.... 13 Then she called the Name of the LORD Who spoke to her "You are a God Who sees" (El Roi) for she said, "Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?"

The Angel of the LORD appeared a second time to Hagar ("stranger") after being expelled for a second (and final) time by Abraham at a time of severe distress and great need (in the wilderness and out of water). Moses records

Genesis 21:17 God heard the lad crying (Ishmael = "God hears") and the ANGEL OF GOD called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter with you, Hagar? DO NOT FEAR, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is.

Note the fascinating play on Ishmael's name, "God will hear" and twice in this verse this fact is stated "God heard" and "God has heard".

Answer 9

In the old days, laws were different than now---however Jesus was in the beginning --read Genesis --it speaks of someone else other than God being around!

Answer 10

Well God said He never changes so yes, but Jesus came to fufill the what God wanted Him to do.So after a while peopel worked on Sundays.