This site might just have the proof for God?

Question

After being on this site for about 3 months I've observed a few things. Atheist, or non-believers will not believe no matter what you put, and the same goes for Christians not believing anything that a non-believer writes.

So here is my proof. Both are faiths. You can't prove either. So how did we come to have our faiths? These scriptures might help.

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him"

1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

John 3:3
"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

But don't lose hope, you can be saved.

Romans 10:3
"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"

If you still don't want to be saved, it's probably because of these reasons.

John 3:19
Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Answer 1

Atheism is not a faith.

If you put undeniable evidence or proof of God in front of us atheists, we would sign up immediately. That's all we'd need. Proof of God.

Christians, or other theists, cannot say the same thing. It's ok though because they don't need to. They ask for proof there isn't a god. This is impossible. It is logically impossible to prove the nonexistance of something -- ANYTHING. Hence the celestial teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The concept is similar to why you are innocent until proven guilty. It is nearly impossible to prove to the courts you didn't do something, yet it should be quite easy for the courts to prove that you did do something if you actually did it.

An atheist worldview is built based on evidence. A theist (Christian) view of the world is how they can fit God into the evidence.

The two sides are very, very different indeed.

By the way, none of what you have written comes close to what "proof" is going to look like.

Answer 2

That's not a bad argument, Tao. I think most people believe what they do from evidence. We have faith in science because of proofs. I would say that the proofs of spirituality are from testing the beliefs in "50 Spiritual Classics" for instance. It's what more than half the world is believing in when they see it works. There is a point where spirituality meets science and they don't contradict. They only say that there's more to things and all the evidence points in a certain direction. Try "The Ideal Made Real: Applied Metaphysics For the Beginner", by Christian D. Larson. It's sort of the field theory for Quantum Physics and Classical Physics, most obviously by analogy, at present. It answers people issues rather than just problems with rocks. I believe many think the physical sciences explain it all, but there are bigger issues with huge amounts of data. It's just a different field, that's all, but the analogies are striking, showing that all things are related. You can't directly relate the physical sciences with philosophy and psychology looked at through a microscope, but through the mind. Science is describing the subconscious mind as a tiger with a monkey (conscious reasoning) on it's back. Many are abandoning the new science as it comports with spirituality too well. Psychology would better examine the mind from the inside and the origin of how we came to look at the world in the limited way we do. You can observe your brain by getting back and just watching it with the same rigor a scientist might use. What we're doing is like trying to understand the world by asking a sports reporter. Seeing everything from the physics point of view is to dismiss all other fields. You don't get far by analysing life by using library science only. You test the teachings and see if they fit. Your free to do so. Einstein gave much credence for understanding science through intuition, tapping the tiger within. The models in the subconscious are pictures and symbols, complete with feeling, color, a sense for something incorrect and moving pictures, all with their own moving pictures and symbols. Not something you can put into a four dimensional calculus model. A small calculator gets you forward with great difficulty, but the brain is a super calculator especially effective at handling concepts, real world human issues and vast amounts of data that you couldn't handle consciously or with calculus alone, but intuitively, like the best scientists and especially the theoretical scientists use to make their breakthroughs. Why not use the same methods they do to examine the universe? It's very effective. The subconscious is extremely unbiased. They denigrate the subconscious by calling it sub when intuition is really the whole mind answering your questions. They say it is fanciful, but that's just it's unbiased nature to look at all the facts. Some say the subconscious will believe anything, but really it uses lies to identify the truth and fantasy to get outside or reality to observe reality totally objectively. That's the only way to see the forest for the trees. There's so much on the way and no one is going to be found to know it all, by any means, or anything quite so crazy as to not be possibly true. We seem to have moved from the information age to a new age. Check out neuroscience for one. No one can put all the data into the conscious mind to get a prepnderance of the evidence, but the subconscious can. It can correlate all the branches while they are all arguing about details, while the ship goes down for a lack of decision and wrong decisions.

Answer 3

These all come from one religion, a religion that is one of the most recent in the world.

As these all come from one faith, you cannot prove anything with them.

And to be an Atheist, you need no faith. Atheism is the lack of belief in some diety.

Oh, and by the way - about that last post you had...

Are you saying that Atheists are evil?
If you're religious or not doesn't decide if you're evil, unmoral, or anything!

Answer 4

Whatever.

Here's the deal: Matters of faith are just THAT -matters of faith; they require you to add personal committment and belief to whatever evidence you think there may be.

It MUST be this way. Why?

Because to demand proof is to assume you are in such a superior position, with respect to the Almighty, that YOU are actually able to judge what is or is not proof. And this is where that "thou shalt not tempt" business comes into play.

Pray that no "proof" ever is found, for if it is (or claimed to be) then there is no longer any need of faith; and faith is what makes the whole thing work.

Answer 5

I don't need to check your link to tell you that God exists. How can question the natural beauty of the world and its many wonders...do you really think that a giraffe and a human being in all our amazing functions (heart, lungs) formed from the same organism crawling out of the muck?

Answer 6

You lost all credibility at the word scripture. How can this prove anything to me if I put as much trust in it as I do in Harry Potter books?

Answer 7

So, what you are saying is that all atheists are that way because we love evil? I can't agree with that at all. Even if I were not an atheist I would not agree. I know many atheists and I find them as moral as any religious people. In fact they are sometimes more ethical in their behavior.

Answer 8

What you've stated here isn't "proof" of anything.

If atheism is a faith, then NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.

You can quote scripture all you like. It doesn't prove the existence of God, and do you know why? Because God doesn't exist. It really is that simple.

Answer 9

Great scriptures. Faith comes by hearing. I realize that I can not save anyone. I can plant but God does the watering.

Answer 10

I have evidence to support my belief (not faith). That is the difference.


Faith= Belief without imperial evidence

How exactly does this prove god?