Who is the us and our in and God said let us make man ?

Question

Is god asking for help? Think before giveing an answer o by the way the word Trinity is not is the bible.

When God said : Let us make man God did not say i am the father and the son and the holy sprit in the ( us ) word so who is us and is GOD asking for help!

Answer 1

It's the Trinity. God does not need help. Yes the word "trinity" is not in the Bible but the implication is very clear thru out the Bible.

Answer 2

No it's not, but the trinity is described in the Bible. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God. The Word is Jesus.

On the day of Pentecost they were filled with the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

I don't think he needed any help, he has you thinking.

That's a start.

Do you believe that what ever has a beginning has a cause (kallam principle (Universe)). If so do you understand that that cause has to be outside the physical laws of the universe, time and space.

God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.................

Answer 3

He is speaking to his first creation. Take a look at Colossians 1:15-17. There it speaks about that God's first creation was in some way involved when everything else, including the first human pair, were made. This is further supported in Proverbs 8:22-31.

This first creation, a spirit person, later became a human by the name of - Jesus.

That is why Jesus is called the 'only-begotten Son'. (1 John 4:9) He is the only creation created directly by God, with no on else involved.

Answer 4

When 'God' said 'us' and 'our' it was the authors inclusion of his subconscious belief in multiple deities. In the book of John, (BTW, the New Testament has many dissimilarities from the OT) it's worded that God is talking to the angels. At no point does the Bible say when the angels were created. Another thing, if humans are made in Gods image, why does one Genesis creation story write that Eve was created to keep Adam company after the animals didn't work. Females are necessary to procreate but they were invented as an afterthought, even though they're completely necessary to the way the world works.

Answer 5

Proverbs 8:25-30 gives us an answer:

25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.

Jesus was beside God as his masterworker. Through Jesus, God was able to create. (refer to Colossians 1)

Earlier versions in Genesis says the spirit of God is hovering over the earth, meaning the spirit of God was not beside him but it was what God used in creation....same as it was when he miraculously transferred Jesus into Mary's womb.

The spirit is not a person, but a force, though many times it has been 'personified' in many bible verses it still does not make it a person.

Answer 6

Why I can’t believe in the royal we, idea to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22,

If Jehovah talked with the royal we or us, etc, why did He only do it only 4-5 times.

Why didn’t He or doesn’t He continue to do to so through out the bible.

Why didn’t He use the royal we at Gen. 1:29, 30 only 3 verses later, or Gen. 2:18, Gen. 3:11, 15
and through out the rest of the bible? Why at Isa. 6:8, does Jehovah say “Whom shall I send”?

Job 38:4-7 shows that the angels were existing at the creation of man, so Jehovah wasn’t alone and had many spirit creatures to talk to.

Instead, which sounds more real and truthful, that Jehovah was talking to someone who is His Master Worker, His Firstborn Son, His Faithful Witness, who is His image, His exact representation, OR He was talking to Himself. (Prov. 8:30; Heb. 1:3; Col 1:15)

Bible scholar Donald E. Gowan said “There is no support in the O[ld] T[estament] for most of the proposed explanations: the royal ‘we,’ the deliberative ‘we,’ the plural of fullness, or an indication of a plurality of persons in the Godhead.

Why does the word Elohim according to Strong’s Cyclopaedia, when it applies to Jehovah means Supreme God, not Gods? Even when this word is applied to Moses (Ex. 4:16 & 7:1) it doesn’t mean that there are 3 Moses, it doesn’t even mean there are 2 Moses.

(Side point when Jesus said if you see me you see the Father, it is because he is the image of God, the exact representation of his Father. When you see an image in a mirror you are seeing a representation, not the actual person. Col 1:15)

(Side point, According to my college dictionary, begotten means “to be born”, to be born means “brought into life or being” when was Jesus brought into life, when he came to life as a baby? No, as Jehovah’s Firstborn of creation Col. 1:15; Rev 3:14)

Answer 7

The Holy Spirit. It doesn't matter whether the Trinity is mentioned in the Bible or not. It says the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Answer 8

God uses "us" and "our" because The Father, Son (the Word) and Holy Spirit are speaking.

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image,"

Answer 9

Read Zachariah Stitchin's book - Genesis Revisited or his 12th Planet series along with Lloyd Pye's "Everything you know is wrong". Your answer will be found about who the "Us" and "our" references were from.

In short, the Annunaki were "God" and they created us in their image via genetic manipulation. Read the sources, their research, consider the other sources of man made religions and make your decision based on being objective and open minded.

Answer 10

The Angel of God is Jesus.