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God the father, God the son, God the spirit. They are one. Explain please?

2007-05-21 20:16:49 · 11 answers · asked by dats p 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible, but the concept is. All cults deny the Trinity. Christians claim it is true. But, what is it? Is it an office held by three gods (Mormonism) or a pagan concept borrowed from ancient cults (as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach)? The Oneness Pentecostal believers teach that God is not a Trinity but is really one person who takes three forms. So, which of these is true? None.

The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all creation, all time, and all places. This one God exists as three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each person is not the same person as the other, yet there are not three gods, but one.

The Bible has many references to a plurality concerning the nature of God's existence. Consider the following verses as an example: Gen. 19:24, "Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Notice that the Lord rained FROM the Lord out of heaven. Amos 4:10-11 says, "I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me, declares the Lord [YHWH]. 11I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand snatched from a blaze; Yet you have not returned to Me, declares the Lord." Notice here that the Lord is talking and says, "I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Sometimes when I show these verses to Jehovah's Witnesses (without saying anything else), they often respond with, "Are you trying to show me the Trinity?" I then say, "You got the Trinity out of that? Wow!"

In the New Testament there are several verses that show God's plurality. Here 's two. Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," Note that there is one name and three persons. Also, 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." These kinds of verses, and others (see http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinityplural.htm for more) are part of the means by which the doctrine of the Trinity is derived.

When we "theologians" use the word "person," we are not saying that God is three individual beings walking around who are actually one being. That would be a contradiction. Instead, we define a person as having self awareness, identity, can speak, love, grieve, etc. These are attributes of personhood and we see all of these attributes, and more, in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If you want to see a chart that exemplifies this, go to http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm and look around.

The Trinity is a very important doctrine within Christianity. It is the correct view of the Godhead and needs to be affirmed by Christians. Of course, the cults deny the Trinity, often misrepresent it as teaching three gods, or that it is an office, etc. But the truth is that the Trinity doctrine is derived from Scripture and is unique to Christianity.

Finally, the Trinity is important because only in the doctrine of the Trinity can we have the true incarnation of God (the Word become flesh as the Son - John 1:1,14). Only the God-man Jesus can offer a sacrifice sufficient to appease the infinite Father in heaven. No mere man can do this. No mere angel. Instead, God the Word, in His grace, added to Himself human nature (Phil. 2:5-8) in order to bear our sins in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) so that He might become sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21). This way, He atoned for our sins by the shedding of His blood (Heb. 9:22) and guaranteed that all who trust in Him will receive everlasting life (John 3:16). Because of what Jesus did on the cross, we might then have eternal life that is received by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8). Amen to that!

2007-05-23 20:21:12 · answer #1 · answered by earlilkean 1 · 0 1

‘Christ according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded form the Father and Son, but was an equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.’

- Col. Robert G. Ingersoll

2007-05-22 03:18:58 · answer #2 · answered by qwert 7 · 2 1

The term trinity originated from the catholic church. As you might notice, it is not mentioned anywhere in the bible. By definition, the catholic church initially instated the idea that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one in body, and everything.

However, the God Head, more appropriately termed, consists of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. They are one in mind, heart, and purpose. They are not one in body; three separate personages.

When Jesus Christ was baptized in the river Jordan by John the Baptist, Heavenly Father said, "This is my beloved son, hear him". The scriptures further say that the Holy Ghost then descended upon him "in the form of a dove". Basically, they are three separate persons who are one in purpose.

2007-05-22 05:31:45 · answer #3 · answered by UMB 1 · 2 0

Jesus and his father is one just as Jesus and his disciples are one -- in purpose. Not body.

The trinity is false:
I am Jehovah, and there is none else;
besides me there is no God. Isaiah 45:5 (ASV)

Mark 10:19 (DRC) And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God. (DRC)

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

I Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I Peter 3: 22 . . . Jesus Christ. 22Who is on the right hand of God, swallowing down death, that we might be made heirs of life everlasting: being gone into heaven, the angels and powers and virtues being made subject to him.

See HP http://bythebible.page.tl/
God Trinity: Athanasian Creed John 1:1
Christ relative Jehovah Simply bythebible – Just scriptures
Jesus Christ His pre-human Existence

Link to:
http://bythebible.page.tl/Jesus-h--Prehuman-Existence.htm

2007-05-22 03:22:59 · answer #4 · answered by Fuzzy 7 · 2 0

the trinity is a false Doctrine.

The truth is Heavenly Father gave his only begotten son.. he didn't give himself. Christ does the will of the Father... he doesn't do his own will. Jesus Prays to the Father he doesn't pray to himself.

It was voted on by uninspired men and the vote was almost even in favor of them being three separate beings and one in unity and purpose.

2007-05-22 03:28:17 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

The word trinity alone is not written in the bible but the docrine itself was mention in the bible as Jesus Said in Matthew 28:19

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

God Bless You..

Edit....

You all protestant are letterary interprate the bible, knowing that trinity is not written in the bible you come up in the conclusion that trinity itself is false.. The prophecy of issiah is fulfilled for this people as Jesus said...

Matthew 13:14-15
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
"You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.' [a]

That is why there are more than 30,000 protestant in world all disagree with one another.. Amazingly protestant just started by Martin Luther 15AD.. Again Jesus Prophesy is fulfilled..

Matthew 24:4-5
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

History itself defines you all protestant....

2007-05-22 04:01:45 · answer #6 · answered by joseph 3 · 0 2

The trinity is a false doctrine. It can't be found in the Bible.

2007-05-22 03:24:38 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate and distinct entities. While some lines from the Bible can be confusing, this point is made clear from the overall text.

First of all, take into consideration the baptism of Jesus. At his baptism, Jesus is in the river, the voice of God is heard from Heaven, and the Spirit descends on Jesus like a dove. How can this account be taken any other way than by saying that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost were three separate beings, or at least in three different places at the same time? The events at the Mount of Transfiguration and the Crucifixion present us with similar dilemmas. If you argue that sometimes God can separate himself, then I challenge you to prove such a strange concept from the scriptures.

God never declared Jesus to be anyone but his Son. On a couple of occasions (Matt. 3:17, Matt. 17:5, see also John 12:28), God says: "This is my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Was God well pleased with himself? Was Jesus, the Divine Ventriliquist, throwing his voice so that people thought that there was a God in Heaven approving of him? Or is the split-personality trick again? I'm not meaning to be sacreligious, but the idea is rather absurd. God the Father was clearly praising his Son, Jesus, who was on the Earth.

Jesus was never called, nor did he call himself the Father. Jesus was referred to as "Son of the Most High " (Luke 1:32, Matt. 14:33, Mark 5:7, Mark 14:61, etc.). The Hebrew term for Most High God is "El Elyon." This title is never applied to Jesus. Jesus is called Kyrios, in Greek, or Lord in English. (BTW, this is a term applied throughout the OT to Jehovah, who is Christ, but not to the Father). In Romans 15:6, Paul teaches us to "glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." So there is a distinction to be made between El Elyon, the Father of the Kyrios, and the Kyrios himself.

Jesus always declared himself to be subordinate to the Father. Christ said that he did "do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do" (John 5:19). Christ didn't glorify himself, but asked the Father to glorify him (John 17:1). He a declared that "this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3). He didn't declare himself to be God, but only that God had sent him. He clearly explained that "I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

Some will still insist that because Jesus declared himself to be "one" with the Father, this means that they are somehow one is "substance." Again, such a conclusion is not supported by the scriptures. As recorded in John 17, Jesus explains well the nature of his oneness with the Father. He says:

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Christ is praying that his disciples may be one, EVEN AS he is one with the Father. What is portrayed here is a oneness of purpose, of love, and will. Obviously Christ was not asking the Father to make the disciples one in substance, or one in being, with him and the Father. That is absurd. By desiring the same oneness for his followers, it is clear that the oneness Christ has with the Father is also figurative and not literal or metaphysical.

The Trinity, or a triune God, is a false concept. The Godhead is composed of three separate and distinct beings, unified by their love, will, and common purposes. The doctrine of the Trinity was developed over time and only generally accepted a number of centuries after Christ's life. It was created to bring Christianity more in line with popular Greek philosophy, which concluded that there must be only one God and that the nature of God was incomprehensible to humans.

2007-05-22 03:35:53 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Null set

2007-05-22 03:19:45 · answer #9 · answered by Honest christian 2 · 0 0

the trinity is man made...

Please check out this question I asked... it has tons of Biblical evidence against it.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnqcWlDrvTJMBgg7ee.WGgvsy6IX?qid=20070519181505AA4Wj5d

Hope that helps

2007-05-22 03:31:15 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

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