The Book of Mormon? Proverbs 18:13?

Question

Will you read, pray and ask God if The Book of Mormon, is God's word?

If not... why? Read Proverbs 18:13,15 He who answereth before he heareth the whole matter, it is shame and folly unto him.
James 1:5-6
5.)If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not and it shall be given him.
6.) but let him ask in faith, nothing wavering, for he that wavereth is like a wave upon the sea driven and tossed.

I know for myself it is true scripture, given through a prophet of God and it truely testafies of Christ.

Kayla: It doesn't add to the Bible... it's Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Read 2 Tim 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine...

Poop2pie: Do you really think getting information about anything from South Park is "dum dum dum"(as you put it)

BTW-nice name too.

Jweston2: Any real Biblical Scholar will tell you those verses in Rev 22 refer to the book of recelations itself...

Here, read Deut 4:2... It says close to the same thing, so according to your logic or interpretation there can be no books after Deuteronomy.

Rev R... nice try come back when you can use real scriptural verses and real evidence... oh and when you can not copy and paste.

not perfect you took much of your "proof" out of context.

example: Adam, is our father in that we are all decendants of him

Walter Martin is hardly a person with authority from God... he's a hateful and false pretender.

New System Lady: It's called prophecy. I don't a problem.

BTW, I suggest that reading anything by "dr" Walter Martin is to read crap. The man lies like a dog. Not only does he lie about what Mormons believe, he lies about himself as well. He even tried to get people to believe he was a direct descendant of Brigham Young. He didn't back down till he was exposed as the liar he was.
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for almost every one of you who answered by attacking the Mormon faith... I looked through you answers and questions and your "fruit" is rotten

Answer 1

First of all, I believe that the Book of Mormon is true, with all my heart. I know that it is true because I prayed to God and he gave me a real answer that I could feel and confirmed to me that the Book was true.

I just want to address some of the criticisms of the Book and the Mormon church by some posters here.
jweston said: >> Deut 4:2... according to your logic or interpretation there can be no books after Deuteronomy.
Actually, it just reiterates Rev 22:18: men ought not add to God's word.
The point is that the Bible was not the collected canon of books that we now have when either of those passages were written. Therefore, they cannot be understood as saying that no one can add to the Bible in its entirety. They are saying that no one can add to Deuteronomy and no one can add to Revelations. They are NOT saying that no additional scripture can ever be added.
Rev R: You say that:
1. The Bible teaches that the last prophet is John. -- Tell me where in the Bible you find that? The NT itself speaks of many prophets after John. See Acts 13:1, Acts 15:32, Acts 21:10, 1 Cor. 12:28, Eph. 4:11, Eph. 2:20, Eph. 3:5, Rev. 11:3, Rev. 19:10 -- ALL of these scriptures talk about prophets and prophecy after John and after Jesus. The Church was to be led by apostles and prophets after Jesus's ascension.
You go on to say that if a prophecy is false, the man is a false prophet and that they would have been stoned in ancient times. Well, consider the Savior's words to the Jews:

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Obviously the Jews believed that these true prophets, whom God sent, were false prophets. Perhaps one or more of their prophecies had not yet been fulfilled. Maybe their ideas were seen as too far out from the mainstream.

Take a look at the following Biblical prophecies. Were these prophets false, or do you have an excuse for them?

--The Lord told David that the men of Keilah "will deliver thee up [to Saul]" (1 Samuel 23:12). This did not happen, however, because David fled from the city (verses 13-14).
--Isaiah told king Hezekiah, "Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live." (2 Kings 20:1) But after the king pleaded with the Lord, the prophet delivered a new message, saying that fifteen years would be added to his life (verses 2-6).
--The Lord told Moses that he would destroy the Israelites and make of Moses a greater nation than they. When Moses protested that this would be wrong, the Lord changed his mind (Numbers 14:11-20).
--The Lord said through Elisha that the combined armies of Israel, Judah and Edom would "smite every fenced city" of Moab and that he would "deliver the Moabites also into your hand." But one city, Kir-hareseth, was not taken. When Mesha, the Moabite king, sacrificed his son on the city wall, the Israelites left and went home. The prophecy was not fulfilled because the Israelites would not cooperate with the Lord's wishes.
--Through Ezekiel, the Lord declared that the Lebanese city of Tyre would be destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadrezzar, never to be rebuilt (Ezekiel 26, especially verses 4, 7, 12, 14). Though Nebuchadrezzar laid siege against Tyre from 598 to 586 B.C., he was never able to take the city. The Lord then told Ezekiel that, in compensation for his not taking Tyre, Nebuchadrezzar would be given the land of Egypt, (Ezekiel 29:17-10). Its people would be slain and its rivers dry up (Ezekiel 30:10-12; 32:11-15) and the land of Egypt would remain uninhabited for forty years (Ezekiel 29:11-13). But though Nebuchadrezzar defeated an Egyptian army in battle, he never conquered Egypt either.
--Isaiah, in his prophesy against Babylon (Isaiah 13:1), declared that the Medes would slay men, women and children and that Babylon would "be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation" (Isaiah 13:17-20). In 539 B.C., Cyrus, king of the Medes and Persians, took Babylon without bloodshed, and made it one of the principal cities of his empire. Babylon remained inhabited for centuries afterward.

Will you tell me that these are false prophecies? Perhaps a scripture from Jeremiah can help us understand these anomolies.

At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. (Jeremiah 18:7-10)

It appears that God can and does change his mind sometimes.

Looking at Joseph Smith's prophecies -- You have chosen a few out of the hundreds of prophecies he spoke. Most of them came true soon afterwards. Others, even though they said they may happen soon, or quickly, or a few years hence--they give no real timeframe. Similar prophecies in the bible have kept people waiting for centuries. They will still be fulfilled, in the Lord's time.
You mention a comment of Joseph Smith's about the Lord coming in 56 years. You took that out of context. That comment was not given as a prophecy. It was Joseph's assumption. What he said was that he had prayed about the time of the Second Coming and that the Lord told him: "My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man." But Joseph was careful to add, "I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this; and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether He will make His appearance or I shall go where He is" ( History of the Church 5:324, 337; D&C 130:14-17). The 56 years was Joseph's calculation of when he would be 85 years old (he was born in 1805). He did not declare that that date was from a prophecy. We can assume that the Lord told him what he did in order to get him to stop asking about it.
Prophecy #2 that you mention can go in the category of the biblical prophecies quoted above. It is not necessarily false. It seems to have been more of a counsel for him to put things in order instead of a prophecy saying he would live to serve a mission. He did not put his things in order and died before serving. Other apostles went in his place and served the mission he was called to. The Bible has similar occurences. For example, the Lord commanded Elijah to anoint Hazael king of Assyria and Jehu king of Israel and Elisha as prophet in his stead (1 Kings 19:15-16). Elijah did, indeed, call Elisha (1 Kings 19:19-21). But it was Elisha, after Elijah was taken to heaven, who sent one of the prophets to anoint Jehu (2 Kings 9:1-10), and Elisha himself announced to Hazael that he would be king (2 Kings 8:7-13). In other words, Elijah did not accomplish two of the three tasks assigned to him by God. Does this make him a false prophet?
Prophecy #3 and #4 -- Just because these things have not yet been fulfilled doesn't mean that they are false prophecies.
These things will still happen and will be confirmed true even if it takes a few hundred years. There are Old Testament prophecies that we are still waiting to see fulfilled.

If you want to know if Joseph Smith was a true prophet, read the Book of Mormon, which he claimed to have received from God. Read the book, pray about it sincerely, and God will let you know that it is true. That is my sincere experience. Millions of people have been converted to Christ through the Book of Mormon. Because God has let me know that the Book of Mormon is true, I know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet.

Answer 2

It amazes me how many people seem to think they are an expert in Mormon doctrine by watching SOUTH PARK???!!!

You're right, it's dum dum dum dum!

BTW, I suggest that reading anything by "dr" Walter Martin is to read crap. The man lies like a dog. Not only does he lie about what Mormons believe, he lies about himself as well. He even tried to get people to believe he was a direct descendant of Brigham Young. He didn't back down till he was exposed as the liar he was.

Answer 3

I also know the Book of Mormon to be true on my own account. I myself have read it. I myself knelt and prayed to the Lord. I received the answer that it is true. Just to make sure, i tried again and again trying to eliminate all possibilities of error. nevertheless, I received the answer that it is true. I cannot deny that the Book of Mormon is true.

The Book of Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ. It is not just an addon to the Bible. It is a record, an account of prophets of old written in the Americas. The Bible also is a written account by the prophets of old near Jerusalem, but not of the Americas. Both records have been written. The Book of Mormon does not modify the words of the Bible or is it come to replace it. Again, it is Another Testament of Jesus Christ and is a record written in the Americas. Both scriptures compliment each other.

As for scientific proof. As if evolution weren't so controversial right now, the very scientists that believe in the theory of evolution have investigated the places that the Book of Mormon describes. They have found scientific evidence that proves that it is true.

So yes, there is scientific work that does prove that the Book of Mormon is true. I know it is true. The Bible supports the Book of Mormon. I know that there will be many that say it is not so. They do not fully understand the book and have not studied it. If they wish to not do so, then fine. But what else could give you the answer to what the Book of Mormon really is than to read it itself. its like passing judgment on someone before even getting to know that person. You cannot judge a person if you don't know them. Only if you truly know them can you express an opinion. I respect the view of what everyone thinks of this marvelous book. I just hope that you read it, and ask the Lord in the name of Jesus Christ if this book is true. For if you do not do so, your claim on its validity cannot be fully credible based on its derivation of someone else's opinion.

Answer 4

I did, and I got answered with lots of reasons as to why it is not. I have had the burning in the bosom from my christian upbringing, something I never received with the book of mormon, instead I had a nasty cold shiver run down my spine as if evil had just entered the room. I did some study and I found a great deal of evil and occult in the mormon religion. Its a shame that the Mormon church is the Wolf in sheeps clothing as to are the prophets..

Let me ask why the mormons always say everything anti mormon is a lie, when you can back it up with mormon scripture?

Answer 5

Yes... and what about the prophecies of the Book of Mormon in the Bible...

Ezekiel 37:15-17 and Psalms 85:11--these two scriptures prophesy of the coming of the Book of Mormon(stick of Joseph)

Also what about John 10:16 Christ tell about his other sheep... the Book of Mormon fulfills this prophesy too.


Poop2Pie: I bet you don't even understand what those verses are about do you?
Stick of Judah=Bible
Stick of Joseph=Book of Mormon
They will work hand in hand and they do.

Psalms 85:11: Truth coming forth out of the ground... The Plates that the stick of Joseph were preserved on were taken out of the ground...

If I need to explain John 10:16 to you then your more lost then I thought.

I hope you can find the courage to really seek truth.

Jweston2: Rev 22:18 is referring to the book of Rev itself... read Deut. 4:2... and besides that... why aren't we Mormons experiencing plagues it mentions?

Answer 6

Who are you to say Walter Martin is a hateful and false pretender? Maybe he's right and you're wrong... who knows, maybe we're all wrong?

All I know is that I've read the BoM several times, I have "heard the whole matter" (i.e. both sides... have you taken time to read/hear the "anti" side?), and have made the decision with the help of the Holy Spirit of God that the Book of Mormon is a fictional story written through the efforts of three men (Smith, Spalding, Rigdon) who hoped to have a positive influence on the world. I have prayed to confirm this and felt the burning in my bosom that it is true. I follow Christ and live His True Gospel.

Answer 7

I did pray and got an answer that was not yes. After reading it, I have to concur with God on this point!
I can testify to you that the one writing that book is a false prophet and we see in the Book of Hebrews that the Mormon church's assertion that it has a true restoration is a false one!

Answer 8

I suggest reading the Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin to know that the book of Mormon is a lie.

I do not believe that God was once a man.
Prophet Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through The Ages, pp.105,106.


I do not believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
As alluded to in the Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:1-4, and later reaffirmed by Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, Vol.13, p.282.

I do not believe as Brigham Young, that Adam was the Archangel Michael, the Ancient of Days, our Father and God
Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, p.50.

Answer 9

Read Rough Stone Rolling to learn more about Joseph Smith:

http://deseretbook.com/store/product?sku=4936049

Answer 10

The Book of Mormon is true. The Book of Mormon is the word of God. The Book of Mormon will safely guide us through.

gw

Answer 11

The whole matter is this..

1. The Bible teaches that the Last Prophet was John, after that we have "The Son". (There are no more Prophets "of God")
2. The Bible also teaches that even when there were Prophets, you know when one was false because if even one of their prophecies did no come true they were False.
3. The Bible also teaches that False Prophets should be put to death as soon as they made a false prophecy. (of course today we would not put them to death but just not believe them).

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (NLT)

20 But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’
21 You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the Lord or not?’
22 If the prophet predicts something in the Lord’s name and it does not happen, the Lord did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.

Jesus warned in Matthew 7:15 that many false prophets would come, and several other places warn us about false prophets and spiritual deception (2 Corinthians 11:4-15; Galatians 1:6-9; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 1 John 4:1 and Jude 3-16). We should not be surprised, therefore, to discover that there are false prophets in the world today.

4. From JS's own writings and sayings and mormon's own books... I have put together a list of over 50 "False Prophicies" by JS alone, not to mention other so called Prophets.

Prophecy # 1 — The Coming of the Lord
President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).
This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.

Prophecy # 2 — David W. Patten to go on a mission
Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)
This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David W. Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never went on a mission the following spring.

Prophecy # 3 — The United States Government
to be overthrown in a few years
I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished (History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).
Joseph Smith made this prophecy in May 6, 1843. However, the United States Government did not redress any of the wrongs committed against the Mormons in Missouri, and now over 150 years later, the U.S. Government still stands.

Prophecy # 4 — Congress to be broken up as a government
While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy Priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if Congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government, and God shall damn them, and there shall be nothing left of them — not even a grease spot. (Millennial Star, Vol. 22, p. 455. See also History of the Church (HC), vol. 6, p. 116, though when this prediction was incorporated into the official history, Mormon Church leaders decided to leave out the "grease spot" part.)
The petition was not heard nor was protection granted (Deseret News, Vol. 1, p. 59). Yet, Congress was never broken up and continues to function to this day. It is interesting that the compilers of History of the Church, added an editorial note in an attempt to soften or explain this prophecy. They state that: "This prediction doubtless has reference to the party in power; to the ‘government’ considered as the administration;" (note, p. 116). According to the note in HC, this means the Democratic Party, which was in control at the time. However, the prediction is that "Congress shall be broken up as a government" and Congress is made up of representatives from both parties. The Saints were making an appeal to the General Government, not to the Democratic Party, a point made by a summary statement in the left margin beside this prophecy as it is recorded in HC.

Now this is only 4, so even if I am a lier and don't have 50 plus, any one of these 4 would Biblicaly prove JS a False Prophet.

So why Should anyone pray and ask God if something so obviously writen by Satan is of God?

Sorry: don't think so.