When Catholics preach love, and avoid their history, isn't that the similar to Muslims denying their past?

Question

Each has an empty excuse for their most abominable behavior, but they say: We have the love of God today.

Jesus said: "If you love me, keep my commandments" (John 15:10). Repetitious prayer five times a day, or reciting prayer to a string of beads is not keeping God's law. What do you think? Shouldn't they opt up and say they are deluded and denying the truth?

Let's be honest, the law of God says "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exodus 20:8-11). Catholics keep Sunday and Islamists Friday. Breaking one commandment is the same as breaking them all

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

Wake up, Imogen Sue: That horse horse you speak of is not dead, but kickin' because Catholic priests are raping children and Muslims are blowing them up.

Answer 1

I don't have an excuse for abominable behaviour because I personally have never behaved abominably.
I can only be responsible for my own actions, not for anyone else's. Nor do I deny that yes atrocities were committed but that does not mean that they should ever be repeated in future.
How long are you going to flog that dead horse?
No matter what, we cannot change the past but we can ensure that it is not repeated in future.

Answer 2

False premise. Catholics don't avoid their past. No Christian denomination has acknowledged it's sins and difficulties with the openness of the Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II was very clear in his call for a new Evangelization and the Church has always had members who challenged its members to grow in holiness and be more faithful to Her Spouse, Jesus Christ

Answer 3

Who says Muslims deny thier past? And I as a Muslim am proud to the last cell of my body with it. You do not have the right to judge on both religions . Who are you o say that Muslims blow children up? Every 'Muslim' who kills a soul is not a real Muslim 'cause real Muslims don't take the life of others, Like that stupid Osama. Nobody is avoid their history.

Answer 4

The history of the people of God ... in both the old and new covenants ... is full of sinful abominations and wholesale abuses of power and authority, along with often bloody accounts of both temporal and spiritual warfare.

God designed the new covenant Church he founded to withstand all of that ... and to prevail in his name ... and it has.

The authentic universal Church ... not the bible ... and not the old law ... is the true spiritual governing authority for all new covenant Christians ... whether they believe it or not ... and that will have to do, until Jesus comes again.

I suggest you get used to it.

Answer 5

The Catholics of today and the Catholics of the past are different people. I don't think your personality/morals/ethics should be pre-determined by your ancestors.

A large percentage of the blacks in the U.S. were descendants of slaves, does that mean they're being hypocritical because they aren't slaves today?

Answer 6

We should all acknowledge our past, but not dwell in it or on it. Both Christians and Muslims should reject whatever ugly things their religions have done or are doing, and try to live their own lives in peace, harmony, and yes, love.

Answer 7

what are u talking about. God say love your enemy so what wrong with the Catholic teaching about love.

Answer 8

muslims dont deny nothin in their past.. all that happened, happened

Answer 9

There's a fascinating mentality at work here! What starts out as justification to hate Catholics of today for mistakes Catholics have made in the past degenerates into garden-variety anti-Catholic vitriol.

You anti-Catholics really do all think EXACTLY the same, not the slightest sign of independent thoght, just the regurgitation of age-old claims that are as false today as they were back when they were first uttered.

Alrighty then, let's get this show on the road, one piece at a time. Let's start with:


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Catholics don't avoid history. In fact, the late Pope John Paul II did more to mend the wounds of past mistakes than any other recent pope, so I can hardly accept the idea that the Church is ignoring history.

What you have to do is separate the misdeeds of Catholics with the infallible teachings of their Church. While the Church's teachings on Faith and Morals is infallible, individual Catholics are not. If you understood the Church's Biblical Doctrine on differences between the two, you would not have made this claim, thus so openly exposing your ignorance of Catholic beliefs and practices:

Controversies in the Church
Matt. 13:24-30 - scandals have always existed in the Church, just as they have existed outside of the Church. This should not cause us to lose hope in the Church. God's mysterious plan requires the wheat and the weeds to be side by side in the Church until the end of time.

Matt. 13:47-50 - God's plan is that the Church (the kingdom of heaven) is a net which catches fish of every kind, good and bad. God revealed this to us so that we will not get discouraged by the sinfulness of the Church’s members.

Matt. 16:18 - no matter how sinful its members conduct themselves, Jesus promised that the gates of death will never prevail against the Church.

Matt. 23:2-3 - the Jewish people would have always understood the difference between a person's sinfulness and his teaching authority. We see that the sinfulness of the Pharisees does not minimize their teaching authority. They occupy the "cathedra" of Moses.

Matt. 26:70-72; Mark 14:68-70; Luke 22:57; John 18:25-27 - Peter denied Christ three times, yet he was chosen to be the leader of the Church, and taught and wrote infallibly.

Mark 14:45 - Judas was unfaithful by betraying Jesus. But his apostolic office was preserved and this did not weaken the Church.

Mark 14:50 - all of Jesus' apostles were unfaithful by abandoning Him in the garden of Gethsemane, yet they are the foundation of the Church.

John 20:24-25 - Thomas the apostle was unfaithful by refusing to believe in Jesus' resurrection, yet he taught infallibly in India.

Rom. 3:3-4 - unfaithful members do not nullify the faithfulness of God and the work of the Holy Spirit in the Church.

Eph. 5:25-27 - just as Jesus Christ has both a human and a divine nature, the Church, His Bride, is also both human and divine. It is the holy and spotless bride of Christ, with sinful human members.

1 Tim. 5:19 - Paul acknowledges Church elders might be unfaithful. The Church, not rebellion and schism, deals with these matters.

2 Tim. 2:13 - if we remain faithless, God remains faithful for He cannot deny Himself.

2 Tim. 2:20 - a great house has not only gold and silver, but also wood and earthenware, some for noble use, some for ignoble use.

Jer. 24:1-10 - God's plan includes both good and bad figs. The good figs will be rewarded, and the bad figs will be discarded.

1 Kings 6,7,8 - the Lord commands us to build elaborate places of worship. Some non-Catholics think that this is controversial and the money should be given to the poor, even though no organization does more for the poor of the world that the Catholic Church. We create our churches with beauty because Christ our King lives in the churches in the blessed Eucharist.

Matt. 26:8-9; Mark 14:4-5; John 12:5 - negative comments concerning the beauty of the Church are like the disciples complaining about the woman anointing Jesus' head with costly oil. Jesus desires that we honor Him with our best gifts, not for Him, but for us, so that we realize He is God and we are His creatures.

Matt. 26:10-11 - Jesus says we have both a duty to honor God and give to the poor - a balanced life of reverence and charity.


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Nice try. but the emphasis is not on the repetition. It's one a certain quality of prayer that you so conspicuously left out. VAIN repetition is what you are refering to. Repetition, however, is not what makes prayer vain:

Matt. 6:7 - Jesus teaches, "do not heap up empty phrases" in prayer. Protestants use this verse to criticize various Catholic forms of prayer which repeat phrases, such as litanies and the Rosary. But Jesus' focus in this instruction is on the "vain," and not on the "repetition."

Matt. 26:44 - for example, Jesus prayed a third time in the garden of Gethsemane, saying the exact same words again. It is not the repetition that is the issue. It's the vanity. God looks into our heart, not solely at our words.

Luke 18:13 - the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying "God be merciful to me, a sinner." This repetitive prayer was pleasing to God because it was offered with a sincere and repentant heart.

Acts 10:2,4 - Cornelius prayed constantly to the Lord and his prayers ascended as a memorial before God.

Rom. 1:9 - Paul says that he always mentions the Romans in his prayers without ceasing.

Rom. 12:12 - Paul commands us to be constant in prayer. God looks at what is in our heart, not necessarily how we choose our words.

1 Thess. 5:17 - Paul commands us to pray constantly. Good repetition is different than vain repetition.

Rev. 4:8 - the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty." This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.

Psalm 136 - in this Psalm, the phrase "For His steadfast love endures forever" is more repetitious than any Catholic prayer, and it is God's divine Word.

Dan. 3:35-66 - the phrase "Bless the Lord" is similarly offered repeatedly, and mirrors Catholic litanies.


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I couldn't agree more with your sentiment of being honest. Yeah - let's be honest:

Sunday Worship:
Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.


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In the spirit of being honest, do you - the asker of claims which I have answered - really care about the victims of the clergy sex abuse, that is, above and beyond their value as anti-Catholic propaganda?

I didn't think so. In case you forgot, or decided to overlook altogther, for your consideration: Controversies in the Church

Matt. 13:24-30 - scandals have always existed in the Church, just as they have existed outside of the Church. This should not cause us to lose hope in the Church. God's mysterious plan requires the wheat and the weeds to be side by side in the Church until the end of time.

Matt. 13:47-50 - God's plan is that the Church (the kingdom of heaven) is a net which catches fish of every kind, good and bad. God revealed this to us so that we will not get discouraged by the sinfulness of the Church’s members.

Matt. 16:18 - no matter how sinful its members conduct themselves, Jesus promised that the gates of death will never prevail against the Church.

Matt. 23:2-3 - the Jewish people would have always understood the difference between a person's sinfulness and his teaching authority. We see that the sinfulness of the Pharisees does not minimize their teaching authority. They occupy the "cathedra" of Moses.

Matt. 26:70-72; Mark 14:68-70; Luke 22:57; John 18:25-27 - Peter denied Christ three times, yet he was chosen to be the leader of the Church, and taught and wrote infallibly.

Mark 14:45 - Judas was unfaithful by betraying Jesus. But his apostolic office was preserved and this did not weaken the Church.

Mark 14:50 - all of Jesus' apostles were unfaithful by abandoning Him in the garden of Gethsemane, yet they are the foundation of the Church.

John 20:24-25 - Thomas the apostle was unfaithful by refusing to believe in Jesus' resurrection, yet he taught infallibly in India.

Rom. 3:3-4 - unfaithful members do not nullify the faithfulness of God and the work of the Holy Spirit in the Church.

Eph. 5:25-27 - just as Jesus Christ has both a human and a divine nature, the Church, His Bride, is also both human and divine. It is the holy and spotless bride of Christ, with sinful human members.

1 Tim. 5:19 - Paul acknowledges Church elders might be unfaithful. The Church, not rebellion and schism, deals with these matters.

2 Tim. 2:13 - if we remain faithless, God remains faithful for He cannot deny Himself.

2 Tim. 2:20 - a great house has not only gold and silver, but also wood and earthenware, some for noble use, some for ignoble use.

Jer. 24:1-10 - God's plan includes both good and bad figs. The good figs will be rewarded, and the bad figs will be discarded.

1 Kings 6,7,8 - the Lord commands us to build elaborate places of worship. Some non-Catholics think that this is controversial and the money should be given to the poor, even though no organization does more for the poor of the world that the Catholic Church. We create our churches with beauty because Christ our King lives in the churches in the blessed Eucharist.

Matt. 26:8-9; Mark 14:4-5; John 12:5 - negative comments concerning the beauty of the Church are like the disciples complaining about the woman anointing Jesus' head with costly oil. Jesus desires that we honor Him with our best gifts, not for Him, but for us, so that we realize He is God and we are His creatures.

Matt. 26:10-11 - Jesus says we have both a duty to honor God and give to the poor - a balanced life of reverence and charity.