What three verses do you use to disprove the trinity?

Question

Just three! but add why.

Answer 1

No one here has disproved the trinity... perhaps they don't realize the definition of the trinity is that the three co-exist while ALSO each being God.

There are scriptures that imply Jesus is God (I AM, First and the Last, God created everything with no one with Him, yet Jesus also created everything, etc..), and others that show their distinctiveness (when they converse with each other, etc). That only PROVES the definition.

Answer 2

There are no verses to disprove the trinity, unless you take verses out of their context and use them to make false assumptions.

Read 1 John

Answer 3

First no matter the translation John 1:1 does not prove the trinity.

Answer 4

Matt 3: 17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

Was God lying?

John 10:36 do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?

Was Jesus lying?

Rom 15:5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do we have the same mental attitude of Christ Jesus?

Do we glorify his God and Father?

Edit

To Anna and Beoran:

LORD in all caps. is Jehovah or Yahweh, So you've misquoted all those verses in the OT.

Lord with only a cap. 'L' literally means 'Master' and not God.

1 Cor 8:6 says only one God the father.

Phil states Jehovah appointed Christ as King for his own glory.

per Jason Bedunn Jesus did not try to rape, steal, or plunder equality from God.

Answer 5

1) Isaiah 9:6 - and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. Jesus is "given power". Given a Kingdom to rule.

Why would God give himself power if he already has power? (See Dan 2:37)

2)Philippians 2: 6,9 - although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

"For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name,"

Jesus even though existed as a spirit like God does not equal to God. His father "Exalted" him to a superior position.

How can Jesus being God and equal to the other God heads be Exalted and made Superior to the other God Heads? Maybe...He was not God to start with??? (Where Jesus already states in V.6)

3)Matthew 28:19 - Look at Genesis 48:16. Would you suggest that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all the same person? Did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ephraim, and Manasseh constitute some kind of five-way "Quinity"?

(Genesis 48:16) And let my name [singular] be called upon them [plural] and the NAME [SINGULAR] of my fathers, Abraham and Isaac [plural]

Answer 6

Hebrew Transliteration: Deuteronomy 6:4 "Shema, Yisrael, Hashem Elokeinu, Hashem Echad." actually, the verse reads "hear Israel Hashem Our God Hashem One." The observe "echad" in Hebrew ability "one." There are circumstances, as some Trintrians are rapid to point at, the place the information "echad" denotes a compound team spirit. They ingredient to passages in Genesis, case in point: Genesis a million:5 God referred to as to the easy: "Day," and to the darkness He referred to as: "night." And there replaced into night and there replaced into morning, at some point. Trinitarians ingredient to different circumstances the place "echad" is used to indicate a compound team spirit, and as such, they declare that each and every time "echad" is used, that it denotes a compound team spirit, and hence, The Lord could desire to be a compound team spirit, proving that the Trinity is in the Torah! ideal? No, it is genuinely incorrect. The observe "echad" in Hebrew relatively works in a similar way the information "one" does in English. it could advise the two a single team spirit or a compound team spirit. those Trinitarians are very rapid to point to Genesis a million:5, yet you’ll by no ability see them ingredient at verses like: Exodus 9:7 And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there replaced into no longer between the livestock of the Israelites ineffective. And the heart of Pharaoh replaced into hardened, and he did no longer permit the human beings flow. (KJV) OR 2 Samuel 13:30 And it got here to bypass, jointly as they have been in the way, that tidings got here to David, asserting, Absalom hath slain each and every of the king's sons, and there is not any longer one in each and every of them left. (KJV) The observe for "one" used right it is "echad." "no longer between the livestock" replaced into each and every cow a compound team spirit? have been the king’s sons extra desirable than one person each and every? of direction, no longer. purely as "one" in English can artwork the two techniques, so can the information "echad." In attempting to tutor a plurality, all that a Trinitarian does is create the potential for a 2-area, or maybe a 2-thousand area God. the actuality keeps to be: Nowhere in the Torah will you come across that God is created from a Trinity. that's a made from Greek mysticism and fused with Judaism and Egyptian mysticism in Alexandria. it is going to be no marvel that Athanasius of Alexandria may be the stress at the back of the Trinity.

Answer 7

I believe Anna (above) says it very well in her answer. All of the verses she quotes from the Old Testement, refer to Jehovah (to us a Watchtower term), yet when they are quoted in the New Testament, they are APPLIED to Jesus.

I bet not one of you Witnesses even bothered to read them, did you?

Interesting that how when Old Testement verses refering to Jehovah are quoted in the New Testament, the Watchtower has the New World Translation put the name Jehovah in the New Testament (even though its not or ever has been in any greek manuscript), EXCEPT when the N.T. passage is refering to JESUS.

Methinks me see, a little dishonesty here in translating.

I would have like to respond to Keiichi's every point. But it would just be too time consuming, because first I would have to "correct" his quotations from his NWT. And I usally get a headache doing that.

But I am going to show the readers one thing. In Phil 2:6-9 the NWT has Jesus "giving no consideration to a SEIZURE"

My goodness, it sounds like Jesus is having a heart attack or something.

Of course what it actually says, proves that Jesus is God. (yes THAT one).

"Who , although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equalty with God a thing to be grasped".(held onto)

Sorry, Keiichi, but thats what the greek means. Something that is ALREADY possesed.
You dont have to grasp for something that you already have.

Get it?

Of course Keiichi conveniently leaves out Phil 2 verse 10. which quotes Isaiah 45:23 and that says "unto ME (Jevhovah) ever knee will bow".
Back in verse 9 says JESUS' Name is above EVERY name. And THEN it quotes the Isaiah passage to show that it is JESUS that Isaiah was talking about.
Look at the whole passage with a CORRECT translation:

v9) Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
v10) that at the name of Jesus 'EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,


(Sorry, Keiichi, but this is kinda like "shooting ducks in a barrel.)

(And no, its not every [OTHER ] name. Not in the Greek. Not even IMPLIED. But of course the Watchtower would not know that, as they know about as much about Greek as a "Bug knows about Black Holes".)

Paul (who wrote Phillipians) takes great pains to make the point that Jesus is the Jehovah that Isaiah was talking about.
And why did he he take the time to do this?
If you look back at verses 4 & 5, Paul says WE should look out for the interest of others and have the same attitude that was in Christ Jesus. (the attitude that looks out for others).

If Jesus Jehovah himself could 'humble' Himself and do this, then we should be able to also.

THAT IS THE POINT OF THE PASSAGE THAT PAUL WAS MAKING. He didnt write the passage to PROVE that Jesus was GOD. He ASSUMED it.

So very good job Anna, you deserve the Best Answer. But its too bad that not one Jehovah Witness will actually ever look up all of those O.T verses about Jehovah, and then their quotations in the N.T. applying them to JESUS.

So Sad.
So many people heading for hell with Bibles in their Hands, but not in their Hearts.

All because they let others interpete the Scripture for them.

.....theBerean

Answer 8

3? isn't that closer to agreeing to the Trinity then?

Answer 9

#1 JOHN 14:28--""You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
(self explanatory---& the holy spirit is not mentioned)

#2 JOHN 20:17--"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' " (Jesus has the same God we do & again no mention of the holy spirit)

#3 LUKE 22:42---"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." (Jesus came to do not his own will, but that of his Father who was in heaven & again no mention of the holy spirit)

LOBT

Answer 10

There are no such verses..., where you coming from?
YOU give three verses.