For those who believe in a historical Jesus?

Question

Out of curiosity I have two questions for the non-Christians here who do accept the fact that Jesus was a real person.
1. What do you believe happened to the body of Jesus?
2. What do you think about the statements Jesus made about being God or the Son of God? (i.e. do you think He was a liar, or crazy....etc.)

Thanks in advance.

SUN: In Matt. 4:7 and Luke 4:12 Jesus told Satan "do not tempt the Lord, your God."

Only God can forgive sins. Jesus forgave sins.

In John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." I am is what Yahweh/God means.

Answer 1

I wouldn't say that I "accept the fact that Jesus was a real person", but I will say that I think it is possible.

I believe that the body of Jesus was moved from the tomb to a family tomb, and that the story of his "resurrection" was a hoax.

On being the son of God, if Jesus made such a claim, he had to have been lying, or mistaken, or a combination of both. If what has been written about his statements and behavior is accurate, Jesus seems to me to have been no different from any other cult leader...charismatic, insecure, delusional, and a little too heavily into martyrdom and death. If you can't give your followers anything of value in life, what can you promise them? Reward in the afterlife. It's one of the oldest cons in the book. Jesus, if you study his words carefully, promoted some very unhealthy ideologies and cultivated an "us against them" mentality in his followers...like Jim Jones. They had a lot in common.

Answer 2

To start with Jesus was not God he was the Son of God about his body, it was transformed meaning his flesh was not left there to decay his body was transformed to spirit just like it say in:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep(die), but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

The apostol is talking to the church telling them that not all will die talking about the ones who serve the lord that their body will be change to spirit so if this is the case with them at the time that Jesus was buried and was risen at the third day it was the same so his body was not left here on earth but it was transform to spirit.
and for those who want proof well you are still alive eventhough we commint a lot of bad things but this is really a matter of faith if you don't have faith you will not belive what anybody tells you becuse you are trying to be like the scientist and in the time of Jesus there were people like that and this is what he told them:
Matthew 12:38-40 (New International Version)
38Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
39He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

When Jesus mentions the three days and nights is when he said that he was going rise on the third day so for all of those that want froof that Jesus existed there will be no proof and just like the Pharisees and teachers of the law who Jesus called them "A wicked and adulterous generation" you will not receiced proof the only proof that you will get is when you die and go to hell and find out that all was true but it will be too late.
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Answer 3

Actually, the only historical existence of Jesus was through Josephus Flavius - a 1st century Jewish historian.

The beginning of his book starts with how ludicrous he feels it is to have a need for a Messiah... and in later chapters, his document states that Jesus Christ was the real thing?? Interesting isn't it??

The only true existence that Jesus ever lived is the bible, and the writings of Josephus (which were obviously altered by someone to place Jesus in there as the Messiah).

SO.. I POSE THE QUESTION BACK TO YOU - WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THE JESUS WAS EVER ALIVE AT ALL, AND NOT SOME MADE UP STORY????

Answer 4

We know quite a bit about people living around the time Jesus did, Julius Caesar for example. He is mentioned in many texts from those times, is pictured in statues and mosiacs all over Italy. Jesus may or may not have existed based on normal historical evidence, but I think he probably did.

Jesus wasn't mentioned at all in the records from those times. I have read that the books of the bible were selected as the result of a committee working hundreds of years later. I can imagine the books selected to be included in what became todays bible perhaps best matched the stories and traditions the early christian communities developed ovet the centuries before there was a bible.

I assume that if there was a Jesus, his remains are still on the earth, as is true for every other lifeform ever.

Does it seem believable that the physical body of Jesus is floating around in space right now? In bible time people though the sky was a dome over us with little holes in it which would explain the stars. It was probably easy for them to imagine Jesus's physical body existing on the other side of the dome. Now of course we realize there is no dome and no place for a physical heaven to be.

I love the message Jesus is thought to have given about loving one another, helping the poor, those in prison the sick and powerless. Unfortunately all I seem to hear from most Christian folks in about abortion (which is not mentioned in the bible) and gays. Jesus main interest, the poor seem to have been forgotten

Since the bible was written in Aramaic, and Greek and since then has been translated and copied over and over by human hands many many times taking it literally seems to require much too much blind faith. Jesus use metaphores to convey his message. Perhaps he meant we are all sons (and daughters) of God.

Jesus told Peter to leave his family and follow him. If someone received or gave that advice today I'm confident many would consider it crazy.

Answer 5

Historians are divided on the sector of regardless of if or no longer there ever lived a historic guy or woman that served as a results of fact the inspiration for the Jesus myth, yet textual and archaeological evidence for a historic Jesus is sparse at outstanding and questionable at worst. The 4 Gospels have been written an prolonged time after the alleged crucifixion, and are a minimum of a million/3-hand bills. the single (basically some) textual mentions of Jesus as an contemporary character outdoors of the Bible are of doubtful authenticity. the guy who's maximum commonly suggested is the artwork of Josephus, regardless of the shown fact that the passage that discusses Jesus as a guy or woman is heavily suspected to have been introduced by ability of ability of every person else after the very actuality. extra, the particular loss of component out of fairly some great pastimes defined interior the Jesus narrative (Herod's mass execution of babies, the great accumulating for the Sermon on the Mount, the crucifixion itself) via any of the various observed scholars and writers of the time stable extra doubt on the historicity of the Jesus tale. this is positively *potential* that a guy or woman named Yeshua bar Yosef traveled around Judea preaching interior the early first century CE, regardless of the shown fact that there is inadequate textual or archaeological evidence to help even that lots of a declare, enable on my very own the crucifixion and different necessary activities of the Jesus narrative. it type of feels an prolonged way greater suitable probably that the Jesus myth is surely a syncretic combination of Jewish concept with the various secret cults of early Imperial Rome, with their dying and resurrected god-adult males delivering salvation and eternal existence. there is obviously fairly some textual and archaeological evidence that those distinctive ideals existed and predated the upward thrust of Christianity.

Answer 6

The story in the Gospels is propaganda. Most of it is patched together from other mythologies in the region.

The only thing that might be legitimate is the Sayings Gospel of Thomas.

Plenty of people were crucified by the Romans. Look at what happened in 70 AD.

Mark was the earliest Canonical Gospel. It ends with a simple locked room mystery, and the suggestion that Jesus might have risen.

Answer 7

I think Jesus of Nazareth was buried to the normal customs of the time.

Well there is no empirical proof Jesus made those statements as Jesus did not write the scrolls those books of the bible were based upon. In this day and age there is no way of telling if they were his real words or not. I tend to think they are more of the author and less of the man Jesus of Nazareth.

Answer 8

1. I think Jesus staged his death and it wasnt him that died on the cross - either it was another person, or it was Jesus, but he didnt die - he kept on living after being revived (note, if you will, a few parculiar things that happen - first off, it takes days to die on a cross - not hours. Furthermore, Joseph of Arimathea was described carrying herbs traditionally associated with HEALING into Jesus' tomb, not herbs used for embalming, which is what you normally do with a dead person. Why carry healing herbs into the tomb if he is dead?? Unless...he isnt dead...)

2. Jesus never said he was God nor did he say he was THE Son of God - he said that we are ALL Sons of God. Meaning, we are all children of God - not that he was the Son of God.


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Answer 9

Please show me where Jesus said he was God.

And I have no idea what happened to his body. It may have been taken and hidden.

Answer 10

Hes also the saviour
it doesnt matter about the bones
and quit trolling