I've thought long and hard about this, so hear me out and post your opinion if you so desire.?

Question

500 years ago European countries decided they'd all go grab colonies all over the world.

Many of those European countries had very oppressive governments that were intolerant of certain religions, (much like Islam today).

In North America, there was an insurrection against British rule. These white (mostly British) revolutionaries established a nation based upon the precept that "all men were created equal".

I think it was wrong for European whites to take land belonging to American natives. I also think the Constitution set it right again.

Here's where you may disagree with me:

It is for these reasons that I believe our borders should be open to ANYONE of North or South American ancestry to come in and go out freely. I think they should be able to work here, vote here, and have full rights while here. So should their children.

After all, who the heck are we (white people) to come here and tell native Americans where they can and cannot go in their homeland?

NONAME,
You either:
A. Can't read
B. Don't read
C. Can't comprehend
D. Don't care
Your contribution, therefore, is worthless.

goldspider79,
People represent wealth (because they work and generate goods and services). Ideally, governments should compete for people by providing a social environment conducive to wealth creation.
We are in a unique position to welcome the industrious, and expel the counterproductive.
We should leverage this advantage!

B. Kevorkian,
How often do we say, "If you don't like it the way it is here, go back to where you came from"

American natives ARE where they came from. They've got nowhere else to go. THIS IS THEIR HOMELAND.

I think we owe them a greater degree of respect than we're showing by this bogus immigration bill before congress right now.

Answer 1

I have to agree with you to a certain extent. i believe that people that came here to work who have been here for a good amount of years should be given citizenship. & ''americans'' who sit there and complain should really take a good look around. because were it not for these illegals who ''are out to get you'' . . .u wouldnt be living in this ''luxury;'' of yours. i saw on tv this interview & this lady came on saying that illegals take away their jobs.. yet when have u seen any white american picking fruit or vegetables.. this was her answer ''well if u pay them 13 an hour they would do it'' well these illegals are making half of that for 14 hours straight & ur complaining that they are taking ur jobs? go clean up after all these dirty pigs.. u know u wouldnt be a custodian!! go clean ur best friends house.. ..come on you cant clean ur own house so u have MARIA do it for you.. and here you are telling the world that they shouldnt get citizenship?! please!

they dserve it more than you. they came here to work... they came here for a better life NO its not in 2 story houses & yes some might need help from the government.. but wat kind of a world do we live in where people are fighting over the fact that other people want a bettter life for themselves? & these people fighting are the same ones sending charity money off to africa & all these other lil countries that have nothing... yet u sit here and bash on illegals?!

i do believe the border should still be guarded because... many terrorists have been caught trying to get in...

but that was hte canadian border.. not mexican border

Answer 2

I think you should go back and reread history That was 500 years ago and no one knew what was going to happen in the future . The only thing they did know was that there was a new land and they didn't look upon Natives as a equal race or Christens .
They thought they had found a new land and they weren't even sure that the world was round .
How can you hold people today , accountable for what happened in the past .
Are you clairvoyant , can you tell what is going to happen in the future , so you won't make any mistakes , that someone will have to correct 500 years from now ?
Do you know who lived in Mexico 500 years ago and how did they get there ?

Answer 3

Interesting question, but I'll throw in my insight.

Your Quote: "I think it was wrong for European whites to take land belonging to American natives. I also think the Constitution set it right again."

How was it wrong? The Native Americans were conquered. I agree that there are several stories and instances of inhumane treatment which I do not agree with, but as a whole, they were conquered. It was a way of life back when men were combing the Earth in search of new land to claim.

Your Quote: "It is for these reasons that I believe our borders should be open to ANYONE of North or South American ancestry to come in and go out freely. I think they should be able to work here, vote here, and have full rights while here. So should their children."

I disagree. After a civilized country has established laws on what constitutes American citizenship, they should be obeyed.

Imagine you are the owner of an apartment complex. All of your tenants pay their rent timely and are decent people. However, a young man begins to live in a vacant apartment of yours without your knowledge, or without paying any rent whatsoever. You find out about it, and want him out. Why would you want him out?

Your Quote: "After all, who the heck are we (white people) to come here and tell native Americans where they can and cannot go in their homeland?"

I don't understand what Native Americans you are in reference to that have no rights in America. The Indians certainly do. Anyone who does not have American citizenship should not have rights, the same way I do not have rights in China: Because I am not a Chinese citizen.

Answer 4

Back in the late 1700 and most of the 1800, Chinese, Mexicans, Italians and just about everyone immigrated to America. All signed in and took the legal road to citizenship.

Now, in the 21st century, we have nations and countries that hate us and wish to do us harm. Doesn't matter what the color of the skin is, Islam hates us, because we are infidels and don't worship Allah. The Russians for years hated us and no telling how many home grown spies slipped across our boarders to spy on us.

We have to at some point get control of immigration again. It is said that the average illegal, while working and paying taxes, still is about a $19,000.00 dollar a year drain for health insurance coverage where they never pay their ER bills, cost of educating their children, who don't speak English. Just look at the cost of printing bi-lingual government documents in each state????

America is the land of the free, but we need to have people come here legally. Try and see what would happen if you were slipping into other countries illegally. Especially Mexico, where non-citizens cannot own land, homes or businesses.

Do some research and you will see, we need closed borders and control of those entering the US.

Answer 5

How right you are. I think you are very very right. Creation of borders is illegal and a form of white supression and should be abolished and all people of the world should be able to move, trade and live anywhere they felt like. The Americans as the world super power should influence the rest of the world into writing an international constitution that enshrines and guarantees the freedom and right of every human being to live wherever they wished as equal members of the society. This open border policy and a world that belongs to us all as equal partners would eliminate the need for wars and other atrocities that man has perpetuated on one another in the name of nationalism. In a true international democracy, we would abolish all national governments, armed forces and all other organs of suppression and only have elected representives to co-ordinate issues of provision of health, education and infrastructure development. Issues of taxation would be left to corporates through FATs (value added taxes) The only other organ we would require is a police system to deal with social malfeasants.

Answer 6

People being displaced by war has been going on for thousands of years and is part of the history of every country, including the USA. If you believe any one should be able to walk in and out as they please and do as they please while they are here you have no pride in the USA. Native Americans were displaced by more than just the "whites" and they were defeated. Had they been a true nation and not tribes fighting each other they might have won, but they didn't, get over it. If you want the USA to turn into a 3rd world country I'm sure you will be glad to give up any land you have to house these folks and be willing to pay extra taxes for the smallest of services. And I'm sure that you will not mind your child getting a lousy education because the teachers have to deal with non-English speaking children. Go live in LA for awhile then come back and tells us if you still "feel" to same. There is no need for you to be on a guilt trip from something that happened hundreds of years ago, giving away your country will not relieve your misplaced guilt.

Answer 7

So a person from South America, who would never have come to North America, who never actually lived in what is the United States, who never would have thought of visiting or living here, should have full rights here. That makes no sense. Besides, what makes someone a "native". There ancestors were here first, so what. I was born here. Should all blacks have the right to go and demand citizenship and voting rights just because there ancestors came from Africa. Can I go and vote in Scandinavia just because my ancestors were from that region.

Answer 8

I agree, but then you are only talking about a very small number of people.
The people who are immigrating to America from South and Central America are not necessarily native Americans.
Many, if not most, are of Spanish and Portuguese ancestry.
.
Basically, we are seeing the same pattern of 1850 when the Irish immigrated here: Poor people without hope, leaving their homeland for a better opportunity in America.
Frankly, I'm grateful the Irish immigrated, otherwise I would not have been born.

Answer 9

OK, but look at it from another POV.
I got married to a wonderful Christian man when I was just barely eighteen, in 1968...right out of high school. I stayed at home, while he went to work, and took classes in the evening. We struggled for the first few years, but he managed, and by the time our second baby came along, we were doing pretty well. I had the luxury of being a stay-at-home Mom. We wanted a family...four kids is what we had talked about, but God had other ideas. In spite of every form of birth control known to man, I continued to be blessed...in fact our seventh child, a daughter, was born AFTER I had my tubes tied.
He was killed by a drunk driver one Friday night...he had been working late, and the other guy had started drinking early...Tiffany, the baby, was seven years old, Matthew, our oldest boy was seventeen. And I had no skills, no experience...I didn't even have a driver's license in those days.
He left us enough insurance to pay off the house, so that, at least, I knew we'd have a roof over our heads...but that was pretty much it. Neither one of us, of course, had thought that such a thing could happen.
I am telling you this, not so you can feel sorry for me...but so you can understand the situation I was in. Suddenly I found myself competing with immigrants for back breaking jobs cleaning motel rooms or working in the kitchen in restaurants. I had an awful time trying to get food stamps or AFDC, since I am a fairly well-educated, not too unattractive white woman, in those days in my late thirties...but I had no skills. Eventually, with lots of love and prayers and help from my Christian friends, I managed to get a job as a church secretary, which paid fairly well, (and the pastor helped me to get an Associate's degree as a paralegal, which didn't work out so well, he and I decided that I was happier and better there in the church)...and the days of busting my (_|_), trying to work two jobs, (dirty work jobs, I'm talking about...neither of which paid even minimum wage) and scrimping to make ends meet soon became nothing but a bad memory.
Now, it's one thing, I think, to try to bring the Native Americans who are actually American citizens out of the reservations, and give them the same opportunities as any other American...but I have to wonder, why would you want to see someone like I was lose her only means to feed and clothe her seven kids to an immigrant? I was blessed to have my church and alot of good Christian friends...but there are a great many people in our country who are not so blessed. Shouldn't we be concerned for them?

Answer 10

Are you going to go back through history and try to correct all of the injustices(according to today's standards) that have been done? We live in the 21st century not the 15th or 16th. I don't know about you but I wasn't around 500 years ago. I was born in the United States of America as a U.S. citizen to U.S. citizen parents etc. We have to deal with the situation we're in now. The United States is a country. It has boundaries and laws, as do the countries that the illegal aliens come from. All we ask is that they obey the laws of this land. The first thing they do by coming illegally is break the law. They should therefore not be rewarded, the should be deported. That is the punishment under the law, anything else is amnesty.