Has anyone read 2 Timothy 3:16-17?

Question

It says: ALL scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ALL scripture--God breathed meaning God was so involved in writing the scripture , an involvement so powerful and pervasive that what is written is the infallible and authoritative word of God. God's original word is not flawed. It is infallible!!

Answer 1

True that right there!!!
everything you just said is EXACTLY right!!!
I love that verse....it is so true....

Answer 2

This might be a good argument, if it were not for the following:

1) God-breathed presumably means something like "inspired". It says it is useful, and authoritative, but says nothing about its infallibility.

2) This is a circular argument. Lots of the world's scriptures assert their own perfection, insight, etc. but that doesn't prove anything. To demonstrate that the Bible is infallible you have to read the Bible and evaluate its claims. If you are looking for precise factual information, then the fact that pi is not 3 and that 13 is not 14 means that it is not mathematically infallible. Nor were the authors even consistently grammatically correct, so they were not linguistically infallible. So what on earth infallibility could mean in this case is hard to imagine.

3) There was no New Testament when this was written (by definition, since this document itself would eventually become part of the New Testament!), and so the author was referring to the early Church's Bible, which was the Greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures, sometimes called the Septuagint. Since you sound like a Protestant, I will draw to your attention the fact that this Bible included the Apocrypha!

Feel free to keep arguing in circles with proof-texts, but if you actually took this verse (as you interpret it) seriously, you would study the Bible in a serious, intellectually and spiritually rigorous way, and might see the problems with arguing in the way that you do.

Answer 3

First let me say that I am a King James Bible believing Christian. However I find that most Christians today do not in fact believe what they say, and what they say regarding the inspiration of the Bible is nonsense.

In one breath they tell us "what is written is the infallible and authoritative word of God. God's original word is not flawed. It is infallible!!", and yet there is no such thing as "the original" anywhere on this earth, and there is widespread and conflicting views about what "the originals" may or may not have said.

So how can you say "the original IS not flawed. It IS infallible" when you have never seen it and wouldn't recognize it if it fell out of the sky and hit you on the head?

The polls show that more and more Christians today do not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS NOW the inerrant words of God.

Push a Christian into the corner on this issue, and they will resort to the idea that only the originals WERE inspired, and that today we do not posses an inspired, complete, infallilble and 100% true Bible in any language.

Will Kinney

Answer 4

I believer there is an translation issue here for the CEV states:

(2 Timothy 3:16) Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word. All of it is useful for teaching and helping people and for correcting them and showing them how to live.

(2 Timothy 3:17) The Scriptures train God's servants to do all kinds of good deeds.

Answer 5

I see where you are coming from and to an extent I agree.

I agree that Gods word is infallible. But words in the bible can possibly be changed. That is why God hides his word in our hearts. And gives us understanding. What IF a big what IF , they took all the bibles and burned them next week? We had better have a relationship with God and know Him.


Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

does this not mean it is possible.


I dont agree with those who say that the bible is wrong....I am saying that regardless if a few words are not exactly the same , God will reveal all there is to reveal to those who love Him......no matter what.

Answer 6

That is the circular logic that the Bible uses to have you believe it. A document can not prove itself. If I say every thing I say is right, does that make it so. Of course not. Just because one scripture in a book, that many serious biblical scholars doubt Paul even wrote, says that all the scripture is true does not prove anything. Circular proof is fallacious and doesn't change a thing. Take a course in debate and try to use circular reasoning in your argument, the professor will most likely point out your error and give you an "F" for a grade.

Answer 7

The phrase “sola scriptura” is from the Latin: "sola" having the idea of "alone," "ground," "base," and the word "scriptura" meaning "writings" - referring to the Scriptures. Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. "All Scripture is 'God breathed' (given of inspiration of God) and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16).

Answer 8

Yes, I believe it.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (King James Version)

Answer 9

The Bible is the greatest book ever written since the dawn of mankind. It reveals every thing about man's past, present and future, and how he had fallen from the grace of God. The whole Bible is centered about The coming of God the son in human flesh to redeem man from his fallen estate and to restore him to the glorified entity which he had with God the Father before his fall and through the death of Christ on the cross as a sacrifice of sin; this very act reveals the Justice and the Grace of God. The Prophecies contained in the Bible about Jesus Christ were all fulfilled by Jesus through his embodiment as a man. There are over 255 prophecies about Jesus Christ which were all fulfilled. The odd to have Jesus Christ fulfill only 8 prophecies out of the 255 is one to 100 quadrillion; that is 1 and 17 zeros on the right side. The fulfillment of these prophecies in Christ is a proof that this book is unusual and could not be written by a mere man, but totally inspired by God alone who fulfilled every prophecy written about Him 1500 years before He was born without sin and incarnated in Jesus Christ. The Bible contains more prophecies about the future of mankind that have not been yet fulfilled and remain to be fulfilled during the second coming of Christ Jesus. The return of Christ will soon take place to establish His everlasting Kingdom and to give Eternal Life to who ever believe. The Bible tells us that to the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. The wonder and the splendor that God has for those who love Him and have full faith in Him no words can truly tell and explain. Blessed are all those who put their trust in God and in Jesus Christ our Lord who taught us how to love each other and how His unlimited Love was manifested on the cross for the sake of giving everlasting life to all mankind.

Answer 10

Here we go again with Paul's self absorption on becoming a bigger influence in Christianity than Jesus. First point is that you did not cite which Bible you used for your egoistic pronouncement? Of the collection of Bibles I have there has only been two that partially agree with your quote and about 15 that directly contradict your apologia. . . .

Your post blatantly exhibits the ignorance of many Christians of their own multi-version holy books and their denial of even other Christian sects Bibles that their shouters say are not of God's inspiration.

Answer 11

The authentic church ... not the bible ... is the pillar and ground of the truth.

Even the bible says so.

1Ti 3:14 These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly.
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The bible is a product of the sacred tradition of the Catholic church, which is itself the infallible guide to salvation for all.

No Catholic church ... no bible.

And those who showed up 1500 years late, who unilaterally revised the bible, and made up their own new and totally novel faith traditions to go with it, in direct opposition to the one, true church of God, had absolutely no authority at all to do so.

That's what was flawed!