I know I am going to get Bible quotes and such and I already know those quotes in Leviticus and in Exodus etc. But why were so many famous occultists through history Christians or Jewish themselves.
They for instance defended magic as the highest science and a way in which man can be brought closer to God and help him restore his true place in creation. For instance I am referring to Renaissance thinkers such as Henry Cornelius Agrippa who wrote the Three Books of Occult philosophy. Or Pico Della Mirandola, Marsillio Ficino. There are so many of these thinkers. This magic they defended was based on the system of Jewish mysticism known as the Kaballah and some of these thinkers even thought that the kabbalah could illuminate the mysteries of Christianity.
The various medieval books on magic known as "grimoires" are also from a Christian and Jewish context commanding spirits with the aid of God. And some of them contain systems of angelic magic and how a person can contact angels
2007-05-21 00:28:39 · 18 answers · asked by The_Slasher_of_Veils 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
It is understandable that the Bible can condemn negative practices and harmful practices. But how is working through pure intention and learning secret things from angels said to be wrong. And magic has a lot of ways to test spirits as well. And is you are a Christian using it. I suppose a test in the name of Jesus would work as well.
2007-05-21 00:30:16 · update #1
Please take the time to read the additional info.
2007-05-21 00:34:14 · update #2
Can't you people READ I am not talking about stage magic or illusions that should be clear. And I am not generalizing either if you actually read the information you would see that.
2007-05-21 00:35:53 · update #3
You are right about the historical characters you mention, and thanks for bringing so much of this to our attention. And I agree that the basis of magic and the occult generally can be traced back to the Kaballah. The correspondence with the Tarot is direct and very powerful. And many other symbol systems can indeed be correlated to the Tree of Life as described by the Kaballah.
I think most of the magicians you mention would have to be considered as raised Christian or raised Jewish, rather than being accepted by those religions while they were practicing magic.
Magic is contrary to established religion's doctrine because they want you to believe that miracles come straight from God. And that anything which manifestly does not come from God necessarily comes from Satan. That's why so many witches and magicians were burned at the stake or otherwise tortured by the Inquisition. The assumption was their magic came from Satan.
2007-05-21 00:45:58 · answer #1 · answered by auntb93 7 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Well that is circular reasoning or what is called post hoc However magic is not real. Christ did rise from the dead. The point of that is the proof of the Gospel's advance. All the Jews had to do was to bring out the body of Jesus and Christianity would not have even got started. Also to say that the disciples carried away the body would not generate the empowering of the Church that it received through the advent of the Holy Spirit. The point is you like to make your argument real to yourself and therefore it is your belief system to think it. Truly this question was not a question but a rant.
2016-05-18 21:33:54 · answer #2 · answered by bridgett 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There are ways to get into other dimensions that are not of God. Sadly many people who deal with magic or such are far more knowledgable than most christians when it comes to the spiritual realm. However, just because someone can enter realms doesnt mean they are right before God. Jesus is the door.........and he is the only right way to enter.
Jhn 10:1 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
2007-05-21 01:04:11 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
It has something to do with entering into a realm that tries to understand the the fundamental mysteries that only God can be privy to. Now it is conceivable that if we can get to know the 'how' of God's mysteries we will likely try to manipulate God. That is what Eve wanted to do essentially eating from the tree of knowledge; to become like The God of the gods( like the elohim); then she would have been able to know what God blessed for good or cursed for evil about her destiny. It is a very basic human craving and is still with us. Magic is not worship it is an attempt to discover the knowledge that is taboo. Magic can be mystical, exciting, powerful or even harmonious but even in its benign form it hides a sinister agenda.
Peace
2007-05-21 00:54:38 · answer #4 · answered by ziffa 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
It is Comdemned by God Himself. that Gnosticsm is Not of god of by God it is from the Devil himself. they are also called Anti-Christ! 1st John2:18-22., 1st John 4. They Have Denied Christ and the Father.
The Talmud is Not part of the TORAH, which is from the Bible. Those are esoteric writings and heresy.
Saul's fate was sealed when he consulted knowledge outside of God with the witch of Endor. Christ reminded the early Church that these "enligtened angels" would appear to be full of knowledge, but it is a deception that could fool even the elect of the Church. Deuteronomy 18:10, Matthew 24:24,31-32.
Those that have come the Church doing it are not Christian and are using the forbidden lost books. They are called Gnostics!
2007-05-21 00:42:06 · answer #5 · answered by ShadowCat 6 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Quite simply put if you go back and re-read any occult book or any book based on magic , you'll realize that , all these spells ( whether black or white ) , incantations , etc. etc. is all done in the names of some other powerful Deity's . Not God , and the Bible clearly states that they are all false beings and magic comes from the devil . Agrippa and Ficino claimed Christianity , but it simply is not possible .
2007-05-21 00:39:29 · answer #6 · answered by Suicide642 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Not only christians dislike magic.
Also the buddha said not to involve with magic.
Because being involved with these kind of matters will not make you happy or will not make you a better person. It will only distract your mind from the real important things.
It is much better to practise compassion, loving-kindness, to help every-one, to pray or do meditation and to avoid unwholesome actions and words, than to use the little time we have in our life for unrela thing like occultism.
The second reason is that occultism has an opinion of the reality that is not based on reality. It is based on immagination and can give poeple a view of the world that is not wholesome for yourself and others.
Thirdly there is in occultism also a lot of things that can harm others and some of the rites and rituals are only there to harm others or to bring them unhappiness. Every theory, every practise that wish unhappiness to others is an unwholesome theory.
2007-05-21 00:38:43 · answer #7 · answered by vital_moors 2 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Easy... Real "magic" is done with the help of demons and satan. The bible speaks clearly against it.
If a person claims to be a christian and practices magic they are not. The bible is clear about magic and you can not serve Satan by using magic and still be a follower of God.
2007-05-21 01:34:20 · answer #8 · answered by kramerfam2000 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Most Christians are not aware that they too are practicing magic daily. When you light a candle for a loved one, that is candle magic. When you blow candles out on a birthday cake, that is candle magic. When you lay hands on the sick and troubled, that is a form of magic power transfer. When you PRAY for others to be healed or saved, that is a form of power transfer. Any time that they wish their will upon another in Christ's name, that is a form of magic transfer.
They will claim to not support magic at all and will never admit that their Christianity was born from paganism and their rituals stem from ancient magical rights.
"We are all of one GOD and one POWER"..
They did get that right!
The rest is a blur.
2007-05-21 02:13:41 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
Don't use such broad generalities. I'm a Christian who practices magic. Within Christian churches in Appalachia, this has been accepted for generations. Although I didn't grow up there, my great grandmother and my grandmother were both "Grannies" (a term of respect used for a Christian woman who practices magic). I learned much of what I do from them over summers when I would stay with them.
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2007-05-21 00:33:25 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 5⤋