Did Jesus think that Jehovah would save him at the last moment? Like a repeat of the Abraham's son thing?

Question

Did Jesus think he was doing a repeat of Abraham's almost-sacrifice of his own son? Genesis 22

And when it became obvious that Jehovah was not going to save him, did Jesus call out "Why you dirty double-crosser!"?

Which, roughly translated, means "Eli lama sabacthani"?

What are your thoughts on this?

Replies from Bible scholars appreciated.

Answer 1

You got nothing but idiot answers on this one, Jack; or is your name Dubious I forget...

Church mumbo-jumbo all the way down.

Yes, Jesus did think God would rescue him. Jesus was delusional. Millions of church munchkins love him just the same...

Answer 2

The translation is: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?".
Jesus Christ never called him "God", He only called Him "Father".
Jesus was quoting from Psalms 22 as a teaching. Thats right, while hanging on the Cross, he was still teaching. Thats what he came here to do. If you read Psalms 22 you will find it was written 1000 years before the crucifiction, and yet told all the details of it, including what the soldiers and others would be doing at the foot of the cross. What Jesus was doing, was telling you that he was, at that moment, fulfilling prophecy written so long ago.
There is no controversy between scholars as to when Psalms 22 (also 23 actually) were written. When was the last time you knew a Book that could predict, in detail, an event to happen 1000 years in the future?

You would serve yourself well to start finding out what else is written in that Book, because the rest of it is going to happen exactly as it is written also.

Answer 3

Jesus is Jehovah, which the Bible tells us clearly in Jerimiah 23:5-6, however it comes accross more clearly in Hebrew than in English.

When you see the word Lord, in all small upper case letters, that tells you that the original Hebrew word was YHWH or Jehovah:

Jeremiah 23:

5 "The days are coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will raise up to David [a] a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.

6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The LORD Our Righteousness.

Jesus has known since before the world was created that He would die for our sins. And we first read about that in Genesis chapter 3.

However, once Jesus was on the cross, He experienced dying totally alone without the constant companionship of his Father, so that's why he said:

"Eli Eli lama sabacthani" and your translation of it was not correct.

The type font used by Yahoo Answer does not let you see all upper case small letters, but the link below does.

Pastor Art

PS: It sure seems like many of those who have already answered this are JW's like the person who claimed that Jesus did not die on a cross.

PPS: Jehovah is one of the ways that YHWH was translated in the King James Bible. See the bottom link below.

Answer 4

Well, first, Jesus and Jehovah are the same. The name Jesus means, "Jehovah the Savior". I think you mean Jesus and the Father. Jesus always knew that He would die, which is why He told the prophets that Messiah would come and die for the sins of man. Jesus even requested that He not die when He prayed in the garden on His last night, but acknowledging that it was His flesh speaking He immediately said, "Not My will but Yours, Father."

"Eli Eli lama sabacthani" is a quote from the Psalms - "My God (the Father), My God (the Holy Spirit), why have you abandoned Me?" It was at that moment that Jesus, bearing the sins of the world, was seperated from the Godhead for the first time in eternity, and it is awesome to think He loved us so much that He would endure that terror. But you are correct to an extent concerning Abraham and Isaac. That incident was a foreshadowing of God the Father offering up God the Son for a sacrifice. Note something interesting in Abraham's story...

In Genesis 22:4, as Abraham takes Isaac to be sacrificed on Mt. Moriah (where Jesus was later sacrificed), the Scripture prophesies the resurrection day of Jesus by saying, "Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place a far off."

Then, verse 8, Abraham says to Isaac, "My son, God will provide HIMSELF a lamb," which foretold the day when John the Baptist would say of Jesus, "Behold, the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of theworld!

And how do we know that it is talking about Jesus and that it was not Abraham just hoping God would give him a lamb to sacrifice so he wouldn't have to give up Isaac? Because in verse 13 God provides a RAM to Abraham - not a lamb. This is vitally important because in the Law God required specific animals to be offered for specific types of sin. Both lambs and rams were required, but only lambs could be offered for the forgiveness of the iniquities of the people.

-Rev. Jim Cunningham
King James Bible Ministries

Answer 5

It's hard to know exactly what was in Jesus' heart at the moment, but I believe the following is true based on the scriptures.

Abraham's almost-sacrifice of his son was symbolic of Christ's sacrifice.

We know that Jesus took upon himself the depth of human suffering as part of the Atonement. In this way he could become the perfect judge, someone who fully understood the human condition.

While He had his Father's support for much of his life, it seems plausible that the Father withdrew his support (e.g., comforting influence) temporarily during the crucifixion to help Jesus complete the Atonement.

Side note: The Jehovah of the Old Testament is actually Jesus Christ before he obtained a physical body. Jesus' father is a different individual.

Answer 6

I believe that Jesus came to this world to save us from our sins. He knew what was going to happen and that He had to suffer everything that we suffer so that He would fully understand our situation and thus provide a complete atonement...

It was His Disciples that did not fully understand how Jesus was going to save us.. until after Jesus' resurrection...

And, Jesus needed to know about our doubts too.. He had been the perfect Son and thus had the Holy Ghost with Him at all times to know the will of God the Father.. Heavenly Father had to withdraw His comfort and allow Jesus to willingly give up His life.. but Jesus understood what was happening because He never lost faith in Heavenly Father.

Answer 7

I believe that Jesus knew at that point that what was to be, was to be and knew his Father's plan. I do not believe that is what "Eli lama sabacthani" means, but you are quite funny.

The Ol' Hippie Jesus Freak
Grace, Peace and Love in Christ
Peg

Answer 8

No. If Jehovah had come to Jesus' rescue, it would have defeated the purpose of sending his Son to earth in the first place.

At about three o’clock in the afternoon, Jesus feels that his end is near. “I am thirsty,” he says. Then with a loud voice, he cries out: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Jesus can sense that his Father has, as it were, withdrawn protection from him to allow his integrity to be tested to the limit, and he quotes David’s words.

Answer 9

First, Jesus was aware in minute details how he was going to suffer. Here he tells Peter about his death:
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Matthew 16:21-23 From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. 22And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee. 23Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men. (DRC)
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When Jesus cried out,
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Matthew 27:46 46 About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
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What did he mean?

He meant what he said and he said the truth! But, Christ in no way expected to be spared this death. Still there is no way he could have anticipated how painful in body and mind this CUP he had to drink was becoming even knowing in detail the events destined to happen.

So, in his agony he moaned not as you said "double crosser" ; rather, he moaned because the pain was unbearable, and because God did leave Jesus to suffer and to die. It had to be despite the pain, the hardship, the mental anguish.

Without Jesus' death there could be no ransom for those of mankind putting faith in this ransom that God provided through his son!

See ransom here:
http://bythebible.page.tl/Ransom.htm

Answer 10

Eli Eli lama sabachthani means "My God My God why have thou forsaken me. When Jesus said this it was when God had to turn from Jesus because at that moment Jesus became sin. Sin can not be in the presence of God..

Oh and by the way God's name is not Jehovah. God's name is YHWH which translates to IAM or Adonai or LORD.