Can you prove that Jesus Christ is not Jehovah from the OT and that his Father spoke more than once in the NT?

Question

How can you prove that the voice of the Father was ever heard in the Old Testament apart from the Transfiguration on the mountain witnessed by the Christ, Peter, Elijiah, and Moses in the New Testament?

I forgot that John the Baptist, James, and John also heard the voice of the Father.

Answer 1

Although it is hardly a significant doctrinal point, Jehovah's Witnesses happen to believe that the "voice" of God the Father was not heard except for three occasions mentioned in the so-called "New Testament" (see Matthew 3:17; 17:5; John 12:28, 29). During other bible accounts, God the Father (Jehovah) spoke through Jesus and angels.

(Hebrews 1:1,2) God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son

(Galatians 3:19) [The Law] was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator.


Even on Mount Sinai, the bible indicates that Moses did not speak directly with God the Father, but with an angelic representative.

(Acts 7:37,38) This is the Moses... This is he that came to be among the congregation in the wilderness with the angel that spoke to him on Mount Sinai


Now, getting back to the initial "question" above... Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible to teach that there are several references to Jesus in the so-called "Old Testament" which indicate that he is distinct from the "God" or "Jehovah" of the so-called "Old Testament". It is not enough to simply assert that a doctrine is true, and so Jehovah's Witnesses reason from the Scriptures on the matter...


It seems rather obvious that the apostle Luke at Acts 4:25-27 quotes from Psalms 2:1,2. Although these passages are part of the Christian and Hebrew Scriptures respectively, BOTH passages make it plain that there is an "anointed one" who is distinct from God. The Psalm plains calls that God by the name "Jehovah" (explicitly using the Tetragrammaton) and Acts plainly calls the anointed one by the name "Jesus".

(Psalm 2:1,2) [David wrote] Why have the nations been in tumult and the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing? 2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one

(Acts 4:24-27) [The apostles prayed to God the Father about what David wrote] ‘Why did nations become tumultuous and peoples meditate upon empty things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ 27 Even so, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of nations and with peoples of Israel were in actuality gathered together in this city against your [or "God's"] holy servant Jesus


Similarly, the apostle Paul at 1 Cor 2:16 and Rom 11:33,34 paraphrases Isaiah 40:13. Note that Isaiah explicitly uses the name "Jehovah" (the Hebrew Tetragrammaton), and 1 Corinthians plainly CONTRASTS the mind of Jehovah with the mind of Christ Jesus.

(1 Corinthians 2:16) For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.

(Romans 11:33-34) O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments are and past tracing out his ways are! 34 For “who has come to know Jehovah’s mind, or who has become his counselor?”

(Isaiah 40:13) Who has taken the proportions of the spirit of Jehovah, and who as his man of counsel can make him know anything?

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Answer 2

Jehovah spoke three times in the NT, Jesus was always present at those occasions.

At John 12:28 Father, glorify your name.” Therefore a voice came out of heaven: “I both glorified [it] and will glorify [it] again.”


Here Jehovah answered Jesus. Was Jesus / Jehovah talking to himself?

The baptism account is direct proof that Jesus is not Jehovah.

This is my Son.

John 10:36, I am God's Son.

In the OT: Ps 110:Of David. A melody.

1 The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is:
“Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

Answer 3

That verse is relating the indwelling Holy Spirit, no longer an angel's spirit. you will locate similarities with this verse everywhere in the recent testomony, the place indwelling Holy Spirit is an ingredient of being with the Christ and finally being with God. Romans 8:9 You, besides the undeniable fact that, are no longer controlled by using the sinful nature yet are interior the Spirit, if certainly the Spirit of God lives in you. And if all of us does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do no longer belong to Christ. there's a super difference between a man or woman who's "in" (or indwelling) Spirit and a man or woman who "is" a spirit. i'm a real Jehovah's Witness, a Witness of YHWH, the Holy Trinity who's the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and the three are One. beware the fake witnesses who're interior the Watchtower company!

Answer 4

If you don't have an open mind you will never see the truth.
God made Michael the Archangel. Michael was his only begotten...only thing made directly by God..Who's name is Jehovah.
Jehovah is from everlasting to everlasting ..always was..always will be..yet God himself made Michael. Michael had a start. He told Michael, let us make man in our image. So his son respectfully complied. Michael was there when God made the earth (through Michael) His son was his master builder of everything we see today..the sun, stars, planets, heavens and the earth.
Then after they made men things started to go wrong. And eventually someone had to go to earth to teach the chosen people, the Jews what God wanted them to do. Michael was sent. His name on earth was Jesus. The Jews didn't listen and killed Jesus. Eventually Jesus went back to heaven after opening up the way for the whole world to get eternal life. He was Michael again..but he also has a new name..King of kings and Lord of Lord, also Savior, Mediator, Messiah.
Genesis 1
1 Thes 4:16
Dan 10:13,20,21; 12:1
Ex 23:20,21,23; 32:34; 33:2
Matt 18:18
Rev 17:14
dan 8:22,23
In the King James....LORD is Jehovah the Almighty God
In the King James....Lord is Jesus the mighty god
Jesus never gave way to a seizure namely that he was equal to God. Philippians 2:6

Answer 5

Of course it is very simple, God has a powerful angel his firstson tha he used as representative you can read in Exodus 23:20: Here I am sending an angel ahead of you to keep you on the road and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. 21 Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him, for he will not pardon YOUR transgression; because my name is within him. 22 However, if you strictly obey his voice and really do all that I shall speak, then I shall certainly be hostile to your enemies and harass those who harass you.

That is why Jesus alway said that the message that he said came from his father. John 8:28 :Therefore Jesus said: “When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.

Remember that all angels are sons of God Job 1:6: Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.

Jesus is the firstson of God. Colissians 1:15-16: the firstborn of all creation.
the Powerful angel of Revelation 10:1: And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet were as fiery pillars, 2 and he had in his hand a little scroll opened. And he set his right foot upon the sea, but his left one upon the earth, 3 and he cried out with a loud voice just as when a lion roars. And when he cried out, the seven thunders uttered their own voices.

in every single detail thias angel match with the descrition of Jesus it is amazing.

Answer 6

Yes
Jehovah spoke twice in the NT
When Jesus was baptized is the first time.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Isaiah 53 shows the distinction between God and Jesus. They are two different persons.

I had Isaiah 53 in this answer, but it was rather long, so I removed it. Look it up

Answer 7

Matt. 4:10: “Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, “It is Jehovah [“the Lord,” KJ and others] your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”’”
(Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.)

John 8:54: “Jesus answered [the Jews]: ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’”
(The Hebrew Scriptures clearly identify Jehovah as the God that the Jews professed to worship. Jesus said, not that he himself was Jehovah, but that Jehovah was his Father. Jesus here made it very clear that he and his Father were distinct individuals.)

Ps. 110:1: “The utterance of Jehovah to my [David’s] Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’”
(At Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus explained that he himself was David’s “Lord,” referred to in this psalm. So Jesus is not Jehovah but is the one to whom Jehovah’s words were here directed.)

God's voice: In 33 C.E., shortly before Jesus’ last Passover, when, responding to Jesus’ request that God glorify his name, a voice from heaven said: “I both glorified it and will glorify it again.” The crowd thought that it had thundered or that an angel had spoken to Jesus.—Joh 12:28, 29.

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Answer 8

I agree with the idea that Jesus was Jehovah. (Evidence; Lord (not lord) refers to Jesus). There are other evidences also.

As for 'his father'; I am somewhat confused by the following comments. I do know that Melchizadek was God the Father; see traits in Hebrews 7:3.

Answer 9

I can't even prove that Jesus is not Santa Claus.

Neither can you.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 10

Words are flowing endlessly, like rain into a paper cup!