They "believe" that Christ is the arch angle Micheal. Can you prove this with scripture for a fact? Also, JW's believe the Holy Spirit is "God's active force. Scriptural Proof? Don't try to talk me into the trinity. It is not scriptural. I am not buying into opinions here. Just Facts. Thankyou ahead of time.
2007-05-19 04:00:41 · 18 answers · asked by Ann S 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I asked about the archangel and The Holy Spirit. While there are good answers with scripture about the arch angel. Ther's nothing informative or scriptural about the Holy Spirit. Please elaborate. Thankyou.
2007-05-21 04:33:32 · update #1
To the last answer about Jesus being Christ-- Duh!!!
2007-05-25 13:21:53 · update #2
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled." -- Revelation 12:7 => Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels.
Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels.
"Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. He treads too the winepress of the anger of the wrath of God the Almighty. And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords." -- Revelation 19:14-16
The apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.”
"... YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7
"For the Son of man is destined to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will recompense each one according to his behavior." -- Matthew 16:27
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1995/11/1/article_02.htm
The trinity is not mentioned in the Bible even once. More than that, the trinity has pagan origins. The worship of pagan gods (grouped in threes or triads) were common before Jesus was born. We can take as examples the trinitarian groups of Brahma, Siva, and Vishnu from the Indian religion and of Osiris, Isis, and Horus from the Egyptian religion.
Jehovah is the only true God who exists since ever. Jesus is God's son. The holy spirit is God's active force.
"Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God." -- Psalm 90:2
"This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God." -- Isaiah 44:6
"....The Father is greater than I am." -- John 14:28
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." -- Colossians 1:15
"And I shall have to come down and speak with you there; and I shall have to take away some of the spirit that is upon you and place it upon them, and they will have to help you in carrying the load of the people that you may not carry it, just you alone." -- Numbers 11:17
http://www.watchtower.org/cgi-bin/lib/ProcessForm.pl
2007-05-19 10:05:20 · answer #1 · answered by Alex 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
No, they are actually quite different. Seventh Day Adventists are much closer to mainstream Protestants, other than the fact that they have church on Saturday because they believe the original sabbath should be observed. But they are trinitarians, they can celebrate holidays and participate in politics, and aren't really known for proselytizing. Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door trying to convert people, and don't celebrate holidays or participate in politics or other things that are too "worldly". And they don't believe in the trinity. They don't observe the Saturday sabbath like Adventists, and just have their meetings on Sunday. There is pretty much just one thing that the two have in common, and that is the doctrine of conditional immortality (meaning people don't have souls that are conscious in between death and their resurrection, and people who are not saved will be annihilated in the end, rather than suffer eternal torment in hell).
2016-05-17 09:58:59 · answer #2 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I think that the bible is full of misrepresentations. I believe it says:Jesus had mentioned about the hosts and the great hosts.A host being a mouthpiece is more like a medium than an angel born into the flesh. I had "Witnessed" to the witnesses at one time several years ago about dreams,visions and prophecies I had which were "my revelations." Many of these since then have now come true.They said this wasn't scriptural unless I was the false prophet and would end up in the lake of fire if I kept talking about it. There may be some truth about the Archangel and Jesus but if it's all a big extraterrestrial lie or program than it doesn't matter much anyway. I believe the bible also mentions about the ones claiming to be Gods chosen and are not either. If God had truly created us with free will, he wouldn't have bothered with religion at all. The key word here is logic and not scripture. If you remember Peter was hung upside down on the cross. The bible in many ways is a book of riddles and logic. That holy spirit might be an entity and not an actual living physical being.Look into remote viewing.Maybe this is the false prophet as well. It has been said to be inaccurate, but what isn't? When you supposedly have competing forces, it's hard to be right all of the time anyway.
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/chapter18.html
http://www.trvnews.com/tsl/031502/index.html
2007-05-19 04:39:47 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 5⤋
You need to be asking this of the people you are studying with.
It sounds like you are upset with what they are saying and do not have the ability to questions them in person so you decide to try it out here.
If you are studying with them then it is up to you to have them prove it or for you to disprove it.
I am ex SDA by the way so I know what they are saying and I know what the truth is but it takes more than just a scripture or two to get your point across, it takes study and prayer and being guided by the Holy Spirit.
God's "Word" is in the form of a "whole" way of life not in a few scripture.
Unless you study and understand what you are saying you will come off looking like the fool.
2007-05-19 04:11:34 · answer #4 · answered by Rev R 4 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Hello Ann:
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and would like to offer some encouragement.
We are teachers by our very nature. Questions are our life-blood. We love studies.
If you don't understand something...........PLEASE! Don't be embarrassed.......ask your questions. We love proving something from the bible, yours or ours.
Here is a website your teachers may not be familiar with, and not everyone uses a computer.
I commend you for doing so.
Type this into your browser, watchtower.org/
It will take you to our website where you can get more help and if you want, your teachers can arrange more time with you.
May Jehovah guide you and love you.
A little more from the bible: Mathew
After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
4 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry. 3 Also, the Tempter came and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But in reply he said: “It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’”
2007-05-19 04:16:57 · answer #5 · answered by Wisdom 6 · 5⤊ 3⤋
The Holy Spirit -- God's Active Force
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2007-05-19 21:02:37 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
According to the orginal text of Holy Bible that is first published in 1611 called King James Version, to answer that question, the bible does not proves that Christ is is the arch angle Micheal however, I can say that he is The Savuior, The Lord, and Son of God as it mention in the bible. I hope this help.
2007-05-19 04:23:47 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
This would have been a good question to bring up during your Bible study.but here is the scriptural proof you ask for:
The name of this Michael appears only five times in the Bible. The glorious spirit person who bears the name is referred to as “one of the chief princes,” “the great prince who has charge of your [Daniel’s] people,” and as “the archangel.” (Dan. 10:13; 12:1; Jude 9, ) Michael means “Who Is Like God?” The name evidently designates Michael as the one who takes the lead in upholding Jehovah’s sovereignty and destroying God’s enemies.
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 , the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call, and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael. Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority? Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. (Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is never found in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one.)
Revelation 12:7-12 says that Michael and his angels would war against Satan and hurl him and his wicked angels out of heaven in connection with the conferring of kingly authority on Christ. Jesus is later depicted as leading the armies of heaven in war against the nations of the world. (Rev. 19:11-16) Is it not reasonable that Jesus would also be the one to take action against the one he described as “ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil? (John 12:31) Daniel 12:1 (RS) associates the ‘standing up of Michael’ to act with authority with “a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.” That would certainly fit the experience of the nations when Christ as heavenly executioner takes action against them. So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.
Need to go in service now. Will answer part 2 of your question later if it has not already been answered.
2007-05-19 04:11:53 · answer #8 · answered by babydoll 7 · 6⤊ 2⤋
If you want scriptural proof, and facts, you need to read Luke 2. Jesus Christ is the son of Mary, born of a virgin, espoused to Joseph. Nowhere in there is He named as the archangel.
2007-05-19 04:07:00 · answer #9 · answered by .. .this can't be good 5 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Plainly, the bible speaks of Jesus in glory and honor, but also discusses the fact that at some point Jesus Christ the Son (who is much more than a mere angel) became appointed by Jehovah God the Father as King of God's Kingdom. Jehovah God is the source of Christ's authority, so that Jesus at some point is plainly "better than the angels".
(Hebrews 1:3-4) [Jesus] sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he HAS BECOME better than the angels [caps added]
(Matthew 28:18) And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
(Acts 2:36) God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you impaled.
(John 3:35) The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.
(Acts 5:31) God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand
(Psalm 2:2-6) The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one... Jehovah himself will hold them in derision..., Saying: "I, even I, have installed my king [Jesus]
Such a "king" is not the peer of his subjects, and clearly, an "archangel" is not the peer of mere angels.
Christendom has pretended that Gabriel is also an archangel, and that Satan had been; both ideas have no foundation in Scripture. Some religions invent names for four or five additional supposed "archangels"; those invented names have no foundation in Scripture. "Archangel" actually means "Chief of the Angels"; the fact remains that the bible itself speaks of only one single solitary archangel. The Scriptures never use the term "archangel" in the plural, but only in the singular.
Who is a better person than Jesus to be the single "Chief" of all faithful angels? Of whom can it be said that faithful angels belong to him, or are "his"?
2 Thes 1:7 Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels
Rev 12:7 Michael and his angels battled
The bible certainly teaches that the archangel Michael is the same person as Jesus.
Note that Jesus the Lord calls with an archangel's voice:
1 Thes 4:14-16 Jesus died and rose again, so, too... the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice
Do two different persons present themselves during a time of "distress" such as has "not occurred" before?
Dan 12:1 And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.
Matt 24:3-21 Disciples [asked Jesus] what will be the sign of your presence...?" And in answer Jesus said to them: "...All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. ...for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now
Do two different persons both lead the heavenly armies?
Rev 19:13,14 [Jesus] is The Word of God. Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him
Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled
Once you study it, the bible really teaches that Michael is another name for Jesus. Though the term may confuse some, Jesus can properly be called an "archangel" or an "angel" (though not a mere angel) or a "son of God" or a "morning star" (though not a mere 'morning star'). Interestingly, the Scriptures refer to *ALL* angelic spirit creatures as "morning stars" (not just Jesus or Lucifer). Note that the archangel Jesus is uniquely elevated above mere angels by the title "the BRIGHT morning star".
Job 38:4,7 When [Jehovah] founded the earth... When the morning stars [or "angels"] joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause
Rev 22:16 I, Jesus... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT morning star. [caps added]
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2007-05-19 09:13:16 · answer #10 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 6⤊ 2⤋