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When the Nicene Creed says "through him (Christ) all things were made" does this mean the Christ was like a carpenter's tools or that the Christ actually made the heavens and earth and Adam and Eve and all that is seen and unseen? Did Christ or the Father invent all the human words and languages?

2007-05-19 02:19:15 · 11 answers · asked by mouthbreather77 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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"Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness.." is the starting point for realising God the Creator was not working alone. The Trinune God, unsurprisingly, involved all the Persons of the Godhead in creation. The Holy Spirit was at work right from verse one of Genesis chapter one. The Son was at work with his Father, as Isaiah shows:

"I am the Lord [Jehovah - the Father] who has made all things, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF... I made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens" (Isa 44:24-45:12). But, amazingly, the Bible says of JESUS that "by him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together" (Col 1:15-20). To simultaneously have all things "created BY him and FOR him" only makes sense when the triune Godhead is seen to be at work. That is why Isaiah is not contradicted by Paul here. Jesus is not God's right-hand-man; he IS God's right hand!

2007-05-19 02:48:45 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

The Bible shows Jesus was the first and only creation made only by God's hand. Then all things were created through him. The Bible calls him a "master worker". Just think of him as the Norm Abrams of creation.

As for languages, there was only one language originally. Up until the time of Nimrod, "a mighty hunter in opposition to God", wanted to build a tower "up to heaven". At that point , all the other languages started to confuse and abandon that build.

2007-05-19 02:59:44 · answer #2 · answered by grnlow 7 · 0 0

Jesus Christ was 'the Word', as described in the opening verses of John, who created all things, both - in the heaven above and in the earth beneath.
It goes on to say, "... and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us".

The Father is His Father, as Jesus referred to Him constantly when He was on earth.
He also prayed to His Father as described many times in the New Testament; so He was not kneeling before Himself, praying to Himself.
He was praying to His Father.

God, the Father was the designer and engineer and exemplar of all that Jesus did. Jesus had, no doubt, seen Him create before.
Jesus said, on one occasion, "I do nothing but what I have seen my Father do."
He learnt from Him, as He also learned from His guardian father on earth, Joseph, how to do carpentry.
As scripture says, "The child grew, and waxed .... and grew in favor before God and man."

As for the languages, no doubt God taught Adam His pure language - one language.
But, of course, that purety is long lost now.

The great confusion of the languages, of course, occurred as the Bible describes it - at the time of the Tower of babel, wherein scripture relates that God confused their tongues.

As for the Nicene Creed, there are certainly truths in it, but there are also many falsities and misconceptions as well.
That's largely what much of the Reformation and Enlightenment periods of history were about.

2007-05-19 20:20:22 · answer #3 · answered by dr c 4 · 0 0

Jesus had a hand in creation, his but share in the creative works did not make him a co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God through his holy spirit, or active force. (Ge 1:2; Ps 33:6) And since Jehovah is the Source of all life, all animate creation, visible and invisible, owes its life to him. (Ps 36:9) Rather than a co-Creator, then, the Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator, worked. Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as do all the Scriptures.—Mt 19:4-6

2007-05-19 02:23:48 · answer #4 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 1 2

In Genesis 1, God said, "Let US make man in OUR own image." This shows that the Trinity was involved in creation. The Trinity is one God in three persons. Christ was not a mere tool.

2007-05-19 02:36:57 · answer #5 · answered by Bob T 6 · 1 1

No! Christ did not create the heavens and earth. God did. Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." The Nicene Creed is wrong! It teaches things like Christ pre-existed. But that is illogical: How can you exist BEFORE you exist?!? The Council of Nicea got this idea from a misunderstanding of verses like John 17:24 that says, "Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am, that they behold my glory (literally, "honor"), which thou hast given me: for thou hast loved me before the foundation of the world." But what this verse is saying, "Father, I am asking that all of the peole you have given me will be where I am: that they might see the honor that you have given me because you've loved me before the foundation of the world." In other words, let them see me for who I am. Let them see that you loved me enough to plan my existence, my life and death on a cross for the sins of all mankind before you ever made the world. You saw that the world would need me to exist, so you planned to create my life so I could come and be sacrificed and redeem the world from sin." It doesn't mean Christ existed in heaven, and then existed on earth! They also get this idea from John 1:1-3 , "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made." But they also misunderstood these verses. The word "word" here is the Greek word 'logos', and it means word or "plan". Also, there are words throughout the bible (conjunctions like the, with, but, or, and for example) that are added in English but don't appear in the Greek or Hebrew. Here's one of many, many cases... you can verify this with your bible and a concordance, which will explain to you in the beginning section the fact that this is true. Anyway, here's what the verses say: "In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was literally "on the side of" or "pertaining to" (they translated this as with!) God and the plan was God's". So this verse is saying the same thing that John 17:24 says, that from the beginning of time, God made a plan for this creation pertaining to Himself, a plan that was on His side or would work out what He wanted it to work out, and it was God's plan and God had charge of it. "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it will accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper whereto I sent it." So God is saying, His plan which He laid out before He ever created anything or anyone included Jesus, and He saw that Jesus would never sin and would always obey His Father, so He would finish what Adam should've and failed: to have righteous dominion over the whole earth by obeying God.
God created everything, including the embryo which became the man Jesus Christ who grew and lived and died for us, and our Father, the only one God created words and languages. We figured out how to create our own corruptions of words because we are sentient, so the curse words we invented ourselves.

2007-05-19 03:00:28 · answer #6 · answered by Teresa L 2 · 0 1

Christ and the Father are one

2007-05-19 02:23:51 · answer #7 · answered by jeff m 1 · 1 3

Jesus himself gave this answer everytime he said "My Father who sent me." " My Father who is in heaven."...etc....

2007-05-19 02:27:39 · answer #8 · answered by Cheryl 5 · 1 0

Yes.

2007-05-19 02:23:19 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

Come on

Dust

2007-05-19 02:25:09 · answer #10 · answered by Dust in the Wind 7 · 0 1

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