sure and the encyclopedia too
2007-05-17 10:47:23
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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There are a lot of sources that prove that a man, called Jesus walked the earth at that time and had followers. The problem is not proving that he existed, the problem is proving that he was holy.
There are also many records pointing to other Messiah's, although they have been mostly erased by the Catholic church. The problem with them too is to prove that they were holy.
There is a good documentary about the other messiahs, all taken from written sources of that time.
The name is "Jesus Rivals", u can get it from YouTube. This will show you all the information there was about them, but to keep Jesus as holy as possible, the church destroyed a lot of written evidence, not only about the other "Messiah's", but also about Jesus.
2007-05-17 10:56:48
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answer #2
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answered by Anubis 2
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There were a few people that wrote about events around the time of Jesus and the apostles, but I can only think of two right off the top of my head. I have read the works of Josephus but not Philo.
Philo, the Jewish philosopher of Alexandria (20 B.C. – A.D. 50)
Josephus (A.D. 37-95) (would have witnessed some of the apostles miracles)
2007-05-17 10:53:10
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answer #3
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answered by TG 4
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Absolutely! It's called the New Testament. Several of Jesus' disciples wrote their own accounts of what they saw and heard. After Jesus' death, all 12 of them went on to teach Christianity, and 11 of them were killed for not renouncing Jesus. Ask yourself this - what man would willingly die for someone if he knew that person was a fraud? Nobody! They knew Jesus better than anyone, they knew he was the Messiah and they wrote their accounts which became the first few books of the New Testament (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). There are also Paul's letters to the Corinthians.
2007-05-17 10:51:29
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answer #4
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answered by Anonymous
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The bible writers recorded Jesus words after Pentecost 33 ce when they received the gift of Holy Spirit.
Isn't this enough proof that Jesus was a real person, who preformed miracles and witnessed about the Kingdom of God?
2007-05-17 10:50:17
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answered by Here I Am 7
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the earliest records you will find from Jews or Romans is about 40 years after it is said Jesus died.
Additionally these records are not from eye-witnesses but are simply reportings of what his followers believed.
In other words the most we have is hearsay.
TG- the comments about Jesus from Josephus have been thoroughly discredited as a latter forgery.
additonaly Philo never mentioned Jesus once.
2007-05-17 10:48:53
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answer #6
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answered by Gamla Joe 7
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As far as I know there is only one possible reference to Jesus in the Talmud, and that does not mention anything out of the ordinary, as it were.
2007-05-17 15:38:50
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answered by Mark S, JPAA 7
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What about the Gospels and the rest of the Christian Greek Scriptures (the “New Testament”)? It has been reasoned that since God’s name appeared in the Septuagint, it would also have appeared in the earliest copies of these Scriptures—at least where the Septuagint was quoted. Thus, the name Jehovah appears more than 200 times in the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. Some have criticized this as unwarranted. However, there seems to be support for the New World Translation in an unlikely source: the Babylonian Talmud.
The first part of this Jewish religious work is entitled Shabbath (Sabbath) and contains an immense body of rules governing conduct on the Sabbath. In one section, there is a discussion as to whether it is proper to save Bible manuscripts from a fire on the Sabbath, and then the following passage appears: “It was stated in the text: The blank spaces [gil•yoh•nim´] and the Books of the Minim, we may not save them from a fire. R. Jose said: On weekdays one must cut out the Divine Names which they contain, hide them, and burn the rest. R. Tarfon said: May I bury my son if I would not burn them together with their Divine Names if they came to my hand.”—Translation by Dr. H. Freedman.
Who were the mi•nim´? The word means “sectarians” and could refer to the Sadducees or the Samaritans. But according to Dr. Freedman, in this passage it most likely refers to Jewish Christians. So, what were the gil•yoh•nim´, translated “blank spaces” according to Dr. Freedman? There are two possible meanings. They could be the blank margins of a scroll or even blank scrolls. Or—in an ironic application of the word—they could be the writings of the mi•nim´, as if to say that these writings are as worthless as blank scrolls. In dictionaries this second meaning is given as “Gospels.” In harmony with this, the sentence that appears in the Talmud before the above-quoted portion reads: “The Books of Minim are like blank spaces [gil•yoh•nim´].”
Thus it is possible that the Gospels contained the Divine Name.
Christians, and the Messianic Hope ***
Most first-century Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah. Still, he had a profound impact upon Judaism. Though Jesus is barely mentioned in the Talmud, what little is said tries “to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death.”—The Jewish Encyclopedia.9
Jewish scholar Joseph Klausner admits that these tales “seem as though they are deliberately intended to contradict events recorded in the Gospels.”11 And with good reason! The Catholic Church had exacerbated Jewish aversion to Jesus by its anti-Semitism. It further alienated Jews by declaring Jesus to be a supposed ‘God the Son’—part of an incomprehensible Trinity—in direct contradiction to Jesus’ own teachings. At Mark 12:29, Jesus quoted the Torah, saying: “Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.”—King James Version; Deuteronomy 6:4.
Rabbinical literature, though viewing Christianity as an apostasy, does not deny that Jesus and his disciples performed miracles. Jewish scholar Joseph Klausner remarks in his book Jesus of Nazareth, as translated from the Hebrew by Herbert Danby:
“The Gospels say that [Jesus] performed signs and wonders through the Holy Spirit and the power of God; the Talmud stories allow that he did indeed work signs and wonders, but by means of magic. . . . It therefore follows that the accounts in the first three Gospels are fairly early, and that it is unreasonable to question either the existence of Jesus . . . or his general character as it is depicted in these Gospels.”
To begin with, there is the testimony of the early Talmudical writings. The noted Jewish scholar Joseph Klausner, after thoroughly investigating their testimony, reports that the “early Talmudical accounts” of Jesus confirm ‘both the existence and the general character of Jesus.’—Jesus of Nazareth, p. 20.
It is not to be expected that Roman historians would have much to say about an apparently small religious movement in faraway Palestine. At best we would expect to find scanty references, and such is the case. Thus, that foremost Roman historian, Tacitus, tells of Nero fastening the blame for the burning of Rome upon those “called Christians by the populace. Cristus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.”—The Complete Works of Tacitus, translated by A. Church and W. Brodribb, p. 380.
A number of other Roman Writers, including Pliny the Younger, Seneca and Juvenal also make references to Christ’s followers.
Rightly, then, The Encyclopædia Britannica states regarding the testimony of early Jewish and pagan writers: “These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.”—1974 Edition, Vol. 10, p. 145.
I don't if this is what you wanted but I hope it helps.
2007-05-17 11:58:56
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answer #8
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answered by TeeM 7
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Only the lies made it into the bible. There was no interest in including the truth because it did not serve their purpose. If you are interested in learning more about Jesus mythology and parallel pagan beliefs check out this site:http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/getting_started_pocm.html
2007-05-17 10:50:22
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answer #9
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answered by Anonymous
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the Jewish historian Josephus, though it is disputed.
2007-05-17 10:54:44
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answered by Anonymous
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Who do you think the 12 were?
2007-05-17 10:50:57
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answer #11
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answered by G3 6
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