Why do atheists on R&S so frequently claim that "logic" alone entails their world view?

Question

Since when did logic alone entail any certain metaphysics? Do they not realize logic works from axioms (or metaphysical assumptions) in the first place?

Bad Squirrel: The axioms (metaphysical realism) are only shared by a some in the west. This would not apply to anti-realists or Eastern philosophers.

Answer 1

Of course, but those axioms are very reasonable -- we have senses, those senses report the outside world -- we are able to consciously process information, etc. In general, they're universally agreed upon axioms.

Answer 2

You use logic to guide your thoughts and actions everyday. Why not apply logic when you consider religion and sprituality? In normal situations we rely on our "logical, rational" minds to produce the best ideas and solutions. However, in religion and spritiality we are required to suspend that type of thinking. Why? Because, if you take an objective look at any religion that exists today, you'll find several inconsistencies, and things that simply do not make sense.

Answer 3

No no no to logic rules out everything in the Bible. You cannot come to an intelligent conclusion if you have not removed your presumptions and biases first. Logic, in its widely used current form is very relative to the person espousing the logic. So is today's logic really logical?

Answer 4

First assumption:man made out of clay
Second assumption: woman made from rib bone bent into a circle
Third assumption: talking snake

This is logic?

Answer 5

They would rather attack someone else's logic than explain their own. The atheists intent is not to show that he/she is correct but that you are wrong.

personal logic is relative, and is based on what you WANT to believe, especially in the epistemology of metaphysics

Answer 6

They don't. Logic must be applied to evidence to come up with anything useful. Since there is no evidence to support any notion of the existence (or non-existence) of any sort of god, it is provably useless to believe in any such thing.

Answer 7

Logic is observable. Something that doesn't exist can't be.
I base my opinions on what is reasonable and in some form tangible. Logic is an observation of what is.

Answer 8

When you fix the brakes on your car, do you rely on logic or faith?

Seeing as how you're still alive, either it is the former, or you just pay someone else to fix your brakes.

(And to apply this metaphor to theists, every last one of them pays someone else to "fix their brakes", and then claim that it was god's work...)

Answer 9

Logic is not the end all, I agree. However, atheists tend to have access to logic, whereas religious types try to avoid it. Perhaps that is why atheists tend to make claims that involve logic and religious types tend to not.

Answer 10

Are you proposing that a five ounce bird can carry a one pound coconut all the way to England?