Can we forget self if we can not see self?

Question

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Peace and Love

Yes. Since altruism is the unselfish concern for the welfare of others or selflessness. It is a difinite forgetting of self. The problem is our motives. Are we being magnanimous, is it ego stroking, are we being unselfish for NO ulterior reason. For myself, I have to look at self, my motives constantly. I am not a perfect essence or consciousness that's why I'm still on my Journey.

Answer 1

While engaged in effortless action the self is forgotten. Only the tao remains.

Answer 2

We build an energy around us and this energy if intense enough can be transfered to objects by individuals singularly and collectively, immediatly and over time. That energy is amazing! It appears, operative word, to have a life of its own. Thought forms are another phenominal manefestation we produce!

Once it hapened that I had been meditating during a retreat and was able to seperate and experience my immediate energy manefestation and my core self. It was very interesting the energy signature that I had built up that expressed a personnage. This has reoccured and changes were evedent. Very helpful to me anyway. I diferentiate between the brain and the ephemeral mind. That is an interesting exploration!

I know there are a lot of people that will think that is crazy! LOL! That's all right...you had to be there! Hahahaa!

It was a very useful experience. A less intense variation, yet very different in nature is reflection on the self. It usually takes a catelyst, someone or something to open your focus to alow another perspective through broadening our point of view enough to embrace another vision of self. We think we are only what we can concieve of. LOL! Hahaa.

Anyway, in order to concieve of something, we have to have reference points and these are really very limited so we must continue to expand them!!!!!!!!!!!! Still they are limited so then what? Hmmm!

Foregetting self is really not very useful. It is not about foregetting! it is about realisation that layers of eslf are always shifting and altering in one sense or other. These build up an energy around the true center! The center is where you need to direct your attention so that you will ...argh...end up there able to see it.

Believing that self is non is not it, it is the outer self that is the transient not the inner. It is ...different. This is somewaht a simantic problem.

Core is different. I can only speak for myself as my core is a plumbline, a constant, something very different. It is impervious in many respects. Everything circles around it. I am in there and everywhere. LOL! Hard to explain you just have to work your way there. You can come and go where your atention leads you. Illusion or ...;-) inside the eye of the storm. The storm is the illussion though for now, it is real enough!

Peace and good luck.

Jamie

Mira, thank you for inviting us to your site...it was wonderfully done and very rich. Roar! :-D

Answer 3

There is Self...........
And you can not forget it in any course.

In philosophy, the problem of love questions whether the desire to do good for another is based solely on the outward ability to love another person because the lover sees something (or someone) worth loving, or if a little self-interest is always present in the desire to do good for another.

The problem arises from an analysis of the human will and is often debated among Thomistic philosophers. The "problem" centers on Thomas Aquinas's understanding that human expressions of love are always based partly on love of self and similitude of being: “Even when a man loves in another what he loves not in himself, there is a certain likeness of proportion: because as the latter is to that which is loved in him, so is the former to that which he loves in himself.” See Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theological (New York: Benziger Bros., 1948), I-II, Q. 27, Art. 3, rep. obj. 2.)(wikipediea)

Answer 4

If you can't find a "self", which there really is none, inherently speaking, why would you cling to it enough to even remember or forget? Isn't the most logical answer altruism?

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Answer 5

I think when enlightened the 'idea' of self is seen to be the falsehood it really is.

But for the rest of us, like you my friend, we all have to work on it. Whether that just brings it into sharper focus is the challenge perhaps.
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Answer 6

As ever, the relevance & astuteness of your questions are astounding.

Will have to think this over. :-)

Answer 7

"Out beyond the understanding of good and bad, there is a field, will you meet me there"? [Rumi] Jon C passed this on to me so I pass it on to you and all. ~ : )

Answer 8

In the mirror!