Of course there are a lot of non-Christians that will ignorantly insist otherwise.
The most IMPORTANT thing is that Christians aught to be single-minded on this issue.
The Savior fulfilled the messianic prophecies (more than 300) of the law that heralded his coming (Luke 24:44). He fulfilled the demand of the law for perfect obedience—by his sinless life (Galatians 3:10; John 8:29, 46; 1 Peter 2:22). He fulfilled the purpose of the law, being the very object of its glorious, preparatory design (Galatians 3:24-25).
2007-05-16
03:21:33
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God'sPrincess,
You;'re right. We can STILL learn from the old Law. We can learn from the OT in general.
Love (true love) fulfulls the Law.
The Mosaic regime was never intended to be a permanent institution. The notion that the Torah would continue in effect until the Second Coming of Christ—as some have alleged—is utterly without biblical support. The beneficial effects of the law, as designed by the Creator, will abide through the age; but not the law itself.
2007-05-16
03:28:06 ·
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mike,
Keep learning, son. You just don't understand the question. There ARE those that are answering. Thanks.
2007-05-16
03:29:12 ·
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God'sChild,
You are right!
In his letter to the Colossian saints, Paul reminded these Christians that prior to their conversion to the Lord, they were “dead through [their] trespasses.” But they were made “alive” together with Christ, who forgave all their sins. The apostle then contends that Christ “blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross…” (Colossians 2:13-14).
Is that right?
2007-05-16
03:32:21 ·
update #3
Marc, Thanks for the answer. There's no conflict in the inspired Word of God (for ME). But thatnks anyway.
2007-05-16
03:34:10 ·
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Dilingere,
EXACTLY! Straight from the Word of God. Thanks.
2007-05-16
03:35:10 ·
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JS,
Great point!
Jesus emphatically affirmed that neither a “jot” nor a “tittle” (terms used represent the minutest portions of the documents) would “pass away from the law” until “all things be accomplished” (v. 18b). If Christ did not fulfill the law, and it will remain until “heaven and earth pass away,” then all of the Torah—every jot and tittle—remains! Or, to say it in another way—all the commands, from the greatest to the least, still are in force.
2007-05-16
03:37:21 ·
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Dylan,
You're just not allowing you're self to REALLY undertstand the context of the verse which you quote.
"Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:17-20).
In the context cited above, therefore, the Lord was contending that he did not come to violently “tear down” the law, as though he were its enemy.
2007-05-16
03:42:05 ·
update #7
eddie, You just don't understand this thing. But thanks anyway.
2007-05-16
04:04:57 ·
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JDL, The truth is . It's not even binding to the Jews today. They choose to abide by it today. At least partially.
2007-05-16
04:06:16 ·
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Raymond, That's the easy.
2007-05-16
04:06:44 ·
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dyno, Problem is. Most people don't REALLY know what that means.
2007-05-16
04:07:49 ·
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maisie, TRUE christianity is pure.
2007-05-16
04:08:42 ·
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mythrage,
good for you.
2007-05-16
04:09:32 ·
update #13
millie, you are right. But I don't "speak" for the many different "churches you ar referring to. I only speak for THE church. The one Jesus purchased with His blood. I ONLY claim to be a member of THAT church. I have no other "foundation" that I subscribe to. So I can't defend that which you speak of.
2007-05-16
04:13:52 ·
update #14
manoman,
I'm sorry. I know what you mean. But, again, I don't speak for the hundreds of different "churches". I only recognize THE church in the NT. And you'r right. There is no "tithing", "instrumental music", ect. in the worship in THE new testament church. THEN or NOW.
2007-05-16
04:18:08 ·
update #15
sonu, I respect your belief. Thank you.
2007-05-16
04:19:22 ·
update #16
Terry, This is a question for knowledgable Christians. I appreciate your opinion though.
2007-05-16
04:20:47 ·
update #17
Dylan,
Here's what you're misunderstanding:
You see, Our Savior fulfilled the messianic prophecies (more than 300) of the law that heralded his coming (Luke 24:44). He fulfilled the demand of the law for perfect obedience—by his sinless life (Galatians 3:10; John 8:29, 46; 1 Peter 2:22). He fulfilled the purpose of the law, being the very object of its glorious, preparatory design (Galatians 3:24-25).
The Mosaic regime was never intended to be a permanent institution. The notion that the Torah would continue in effect until the Second Coming of Christ—as some have alleged—is utterly without biblical support. The beneficial effects of the law, as designed by the Creator, will abide through the age; but not the law itself.
2007-05-16
04:24:50 ·
update #18
con't
But one might wonder: “Does not the passage affirm that the law would continue ‘until heaven and earth pass away?” It absolutely does not. The text simply announces that the law would remain intact until such a time as it is fulfilled.
This fulfillment is the very thing Jesus declared he came to accomplish! If he did not fulfill the law, then the Savior did not do what he came to do, hence, failed in his mission. If he did do what he came to do, the law was fulfilled, hence, does not remain an obligatory system today.
Compare Luke’s parallel: “But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of the law to fall” (Luke 16:17). When the Son of God “fulfilled” the law, it had not failed, fallen, or been destroyed; it had been completed. Thus it no longer was a law to which the Jews, or anyone else, were obligated to obey as a legal system. To fail to recognize this truth is to overlook one of the most fundamental propositions of biblical literature.
2007-05-16
04:26:04 ·
update #19
Right. Has anyone read this?
Romans Chapter 8:
" 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit."
Word up, son.
2007-05-16 03:26:39
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That makes sense. Now we have grown up we can forgive our neighbours instead of taking an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Since Jesus became the sacrificial lamb we don't need animal sacrifices anymore. The Old Testament is full of sex and war. The New Testament goes into the higher values of brotherly love and forgiveness. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the Old Testament and brought about a new law - love one another.
2007-05-16 11:25:02
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If pure stupid ego was a sin you would be on the way to a bath right now. The Torah was accepted completely by Jesus. He disagreed with the acts of Humankind in their manipulation of the Torah. The same thing that is being done by Christians like you to the New Testament.
If you want the Truth.....Ask a Pagan.
2007-05-16 10:38:40
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answered by Terry 7
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As a non christian Ignorant let me Give you proof of your
ignorance and of the christian community who twist the
words of jesus [pbuh] Here is the proof of jesus 's mission
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
Does Jesus mentions here what you Christians would like to
believe???
2007-05-16 10:37:27
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Try telling that to all the folks who want to decorate walls of government buildings with the ten commandments. Truth of the matter is Jesus' commandments were a lot more strict...instead of "Thou shalt not kill," He gave Christians, "Don't even THINK about it."
Cafeteria Christianity...take what you want, leave the rest.
"TRUE Christianity is pure?" If that's the case JayDee, then I have never actually met a true Christian. The whole point of Christianity is that we AREN'T pure...so much so that Jesus got nailed to a cross to save us from ourselves.
And for the record, I'd like to say when Christians get single-minded about anything, someone usually gets killed over it.
2007-05-16 10:28:52
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answered by maisie 3
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Tell so more often to those believers that are still forced by their churches to the give the tithings. Tithing was part of the Moses Law which we, Christians, are not forced to follow any longer.
2007-05-16 10:33:22
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The challenge to Christians is not that they are not under the old law; the challenge is what is the old law. If one says either, Genesis-Malachi, or the Torah (Genesis-Deut., I believe they made a mistake!!! The law of Moses is from Exodus 20-Deut.27, and not all of it is law.
2007-05-16 11:00:04
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answered by jefferyspringer57@sbcglobal.net 7
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Yes, Rabbi Saul nicely cut you guys off from the covenant and the divine law !!
Genesis 17:9-10 ---Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
Galatians 5:2 ---- Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
Go Rabbi GO ! fight the good fight !
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2007-05-16 10:29:29
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Hmmm..given that Jesus was an observant jew you may be on shaky ground there.
Does He ever explicitly say anything to the effect that Leviticus etc is repealed. nope. the citations you give are as a result of the conflict between Paul and James for control of the sect.
2007-05-16 10:25:59
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This sounds two-sided. The Law of Moses (I have been told that this means a woman should be at least 10 years younger than you) doesn't sound out dated. The rest of what you said......does not shut this law out.
2007-05-16 10:30:38
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