Not even close.
Darwin and Dawkins.
There's a wonderful segment on Youtube where Dawkins is talking in Lynchburg, VA.
Someone mentions a 3,000 old dinosaur fossil on display at Falwell's Liberty U. Dawkins responds with "If that is true, I'd advise people to leave and attend a REAL University!"
Love that Dawkins!
Excuses me, Kuh Rap13whatever,
I watched the clip again.
Dawkins never mentions aliens. Not once.
He points out that labeling a Dinosaur Fossil 3,000 years old is not a trivial error.
God being found through DNA is never mentioned.
What he does is go into detail about what would be needed to prove that allegation. Igneous rocks around the fossil should be the same age. And multiple clocks should give the same data.
You have nothing left but an Ad Hominem attack on Dawkins.
That may work in Church meetings, but in the real world we require hard evidence and creationists can't produce it!
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Prof Flew is certainly entitled to his opinion.
I don't know what you were trying to prove with all the Dawkins quotes but I don't disagree with anything that you just posted by him.
I never read about a group of evolutionary biologists scamming their believers out of millions.
I've yet to read the scandal where a group of geologists get together and commit ritual suicide.
I've never seen a headline that names a bunch of Astronomy professors condoning institutionalized child abuse.
If you have to buy religion, doesn't it make sense that God might want atheists in the world as a natural counterbalance to the widespread abuse that happens among the faithful?
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I know this is difficult, but try to stick with the facts.
Where in any of the Dawkins quotes you just mentioned is any admission that the fossil record wrong? real world facts say the opposite.
Regarding the often regurgitated comparison of atheist values to Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler (which they always get wrong BTW. born a Roman Catholic, died a pagan not an Atheist but still a dangerous, stupid and SUPERSTITIOUS man).
Let's look at some famous atheist values.
Let's look at Warren Buffet and Bill Gates who have donated billions to charity.
Let's look at Mark Twain's contributions to our culture. "Huckleberry Finn" has been banned in parts of the deep religious South for it's unflattering portrayal of religious white Southerners and the reality of Slavery (Justified with the Bible at the time it was going on).
Let's look at people like James Randi, Carl Sagan, Angelina Jolie, Seth Green, Isaac Asimov, Noam Chomsky, Watson and Crick.
I then look at people like Fred Phelps (harassing grieving families at funerals), Ted Haggert (gay sex on the side while condemning gay marriage), Jim Bakker (PTL fleecing), Peter Popov (using an earpiece to fake divine powers), Mohamed Atta (Allah wants me to kill all these people) and the late Jerry "Tinky Winky is gay" Falwell.
There's nothing I can write to convince you that you're much safer in the real world with atheists. Leaps of faith are like that.
But I do know which group of people I feel safer around and it's not the religious nutcases.
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Going through peer reviewed scientific journals and cherry picking what you think backs up your thesis doesn't impress me. You may feel you can do that because you need a literal interpretation of the Bible to hinge your faith on, real scientists don't give or take that luxury. You have to look at all the facts not only the ones you agree with.
There's still volumes of evidence-genetic, geologic, astronomical, and archeological that ALL point to evolution.
Then there are religous butchers in History you don't even come near. The Crusades, the witch burnings, the Inquisition, , murderers of gays citing the Bible, suicide bombers and the list goes on!
We could tally up the figures, but why?!? I'm not going to convince you to live in the real world and you aren't going to convince me to drink modern fundamentalist Kool-Aid.
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What is "ma the universe"? Are you really Wiccan? Are you calling the universe your mother?
You give a list of cherry picked quotes and then can't even see what is you just did.
According to your desperate grasp on reality-
CHERRY PICKING-
Hubble's observation on the universe indicating its expansion using spectral analyis.
Carbon dating, backed up by millions of pieces of corraborating evidence including the Periodic Table of Elements. We use this billions of times each day whenever we use technology, including the computer we are typing on.
DNA, backed up for decades now since its discovery. Responsible for numerous advances in medicine and freeing innocent people from Death Row.
NOT CHERRY PICKING-
If I quote Richard Dawkings out of context, maybe, perhaps, someday, if I'm in the same room with a bunch of my friends it means we must throw out all of the above and believe superstitous nonsense.
By the way, I know the spell checker is difficult and confusing for a creationist to use, but where exactly is "Chinia"?
"Galileo. and that he was inprisoned for saying the Earth goes around the sun. which is another misreprestation of the truth."-Huh?
the Catholic church imprisoned him and almost killed him for looking up the truth. And the fact that the Earth rotates around the sun was a political threat to the Catholic church at the time. And Religous institutions protect politcal power. Like the link to the THINK TANK (Thier own words) which promotes a political agenda. If they really have something worthwhile to contribute to the origins of man, let it compete in the free market of peer reviewed scientific journals. Think tanks that edit and select what fits are not a good source of rational thought. That's not the way science works.
And if you buy the fact that your car starts and your computer works and you live in a technological society, you are buying the periodic table of elements. If you buy that, you are buying Carbon dating as a reliable clock. The rest of the evidence which points to Evolution directly follows.
Using winning debate team tactics like Ad hominem attacks, cherry picking evidence, and other logical falacies does not mean you have proven your point!
2007-05-16 00:39:51
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2007-05-16 00:32:55
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Some interesting responses. Christians are (understandably) afraid to say Kirk Cameron is smarter than Charles Darwin, so instead they attack the definition of the word "smarter".
2007-05-16 00:37:42
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I've thrown away old socks that were smarter than Cameron and Falwell. Why do these morons keep saying that evolution cannot be proven when it has been? And that the fossil record does not support evolution when it does?
2007-05-16 02:56:23
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how could you compare the man who came up with the theory of evolution with the man who came up with the crocoduck and the banana argument?
2007-05-17 22:25:18
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Define "smarter"? If you mean IQ (which is the only test we have by which we can all be judged on a level playing field), then you have to look at the test results. Any other definition is subjective of your own personal bias.
2007-05-16 00:34:29
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This question doesn't address a more important trait: wisdom. I would say that PERHAPS Charles Darwin MAY have been smarter than Kirk Cameron, but I think that Kirk Cameron is wiser than Charles Darwin. However, intelligence doesn't matter when you believe something false.
2007-05-16 00:35:11
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answered by Iamnotarobot (former believer) 6
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Kirk Cameron and Jerry Falwell. They have enough sense to believe in God Almighty. They have enough smarts to humble themselves before the Lord.
2007-05-16 00:37:33
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answered by Anonymous
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Darwin and Dawkins have more books than Cameron has brain cells , they represent educated science. To be an "expert" Evangelist using one corrupt book - how easy is that ?
2007-05-16 00:38:25
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answered by ED SNOW 6
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to the girl above me did you see Dawkins say that he believed in aliens? or his comment though the world appears to have design it does not. or when he got upset that a scientist found God through DNA? DAwkins is the biggest hypocrite . states the problem that the fossil record does not support evolution but is because the fossill record is wrong. that is too much.thanks for thumbs down for only repeating Dawkins.
2007-05-16 01:00:37
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Funny question. Depends on what your definition of smart is. Darwin concocted a theory that still cannot be proven. Dawkins wrote a book that is obviously quite fascinating to some. But, can a man with misplaced faith be considered smart?
2007-05-16 00:36:30
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