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The left use this argument to support mass immigration, can someone please prove it to me once and for all, thanks.

2007-05-15 22:34:31 · 36 answers · asked by A True Gentleman 5 in Politics & Government Immigration

Please, no anecdotal evidence.

2007-05-15 22:39:00 · update #1

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we need immigrants but we need immigration controlled. Not a free for all.

The Office of National Statistics reported that people of the Muslim faith are more likely to unemployed than people of any other faith. So I think it really depends on the type of immigrant we get.

2007-05-15 22:39:37 · answer #1 · answered by Abdul 5 · 3 5

You can't use a generic anecdote in your question and expect hard evidence in your answer. It may be that someone who is left wing said that, but you then apply the statement to all people on 'the left'.
I've done jobs you wouldn't believe exist, like picking and peeling potatoes.

The fact is that immigration is supported by right wing businessmen because it supplies cheap labour with no responsibility towards the employee. 'The left' tend to be in favour of the minimum wage and trade unions. Which gives employees a certain amount of protection against going to work one day to find they've been replaced by cheaper labour.

Illegal immigrants will continue to live and work here as long as there are human traffickers bringing them in, and people prepared to employ them. Don't blame 'the left' for that attitude. The human misery resulting from the whole mess is disgusting, bot for the immigrants and those of us who have trouble finding work that pays enough to live on.

2007-05-15 23:03:16 · answer #2 · answered by sarah c 7 · 0 0

There is no evidence that Brits wont do these jobs. the fact is that Britain is not supposed to be a third world country and we have come to expect a much higher standard of living here than, say for instance Poland, a lot of people here cant afford to work for peanuts anyway. Give them a decent wage and they will work!

Certain employers are using immigrants as slave labour exploiting people who are used to hardship to line their already fat pockets, we used to look down on sweatshops but not anymore it seems. Working wages dont come into it. This is where the benefit to britain from immigration lies, in the increasing wealth of these individuals.

We have employed British youths in the past who were supposed to be lazy and found that with encouragement and a zero tolerance approach they worked as hard and happily as anyone else.

There is however, evidence that British people have been misled and abused by the people who were elected to look after their interests for decades now. The price we paid in poor education and general standards are visible everyday,

2007-05-16 02:14:40 · answer #3 · answered by trish 5 · 0 0

I can't provide something that likely does not exist. I'm sure all the necessary work was done there before mass immigration began. The same excuse is used in the US, and I can assure you that all work was done before we had a problem with mass illegal immigration. I suppose I can only prove the opposite of what you are asking. I don't know how bad it is there, but here many companies have unspoken, unwritten policies to hire non citizens. They even send people to the southern border areas to find workers rather than hiring local citizens. It's insulting to be told you won't do a certain job, then not even be given the opportunity to do it when you apply.

2007-05-15 22:54:17 · answer #4 · answered by DJ 6 · 0 0

It is almost impossible to prove that British people refuse to do certain jobs, there is evidence that people on benefits often do not take work that offers lower money than there benefits. However the benefit system is weighed in such a way that they can only do this for a certain amount of time before there benefit is stopped.
To me its a no brainier, British guy turns up for a job and has to be paid the national minimum wage, polish guy turns up and you can pay his the same money but then deduct things like accommodation, work clothing etc. This reduces the actual hourly pay to below the national minimum wage and there for offers a huge incentive to the company.
If we were to take this to its natural conclusion "Why not bring back slavery" as this is in effect what is happening with these immigrants.

2007-05-15 22:51:03 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

Hi,

I don't think it is a matter of the actual job itself but the rate of pay. A person with kids to feed needs to earn a certain amount of money to survive why should someone take a job just for the sake of working but not earn enough to be able to live on? A single immigrant does not have that issue, if they send money home to say Poland, the cost of living there is much lower so their £1 goes much further.

My hubby has applied for jobs well below his capability but they just say he is over qualified for the job. It is a no win situation. Just to top it off our neighbour is a single parent on benefits and asked him why he wasn't working.

Did he rip into her or what? She's 21 with a 2 year old kid and never worked since leaving school. She clears £200 p/w after her bills are paid, no rent or c/tax etc to pay because it is paid for by the benefit system.

After our bills are paid we have about £50 p/w left for food and other extras as I am disabled. My hubby can't claim anything. He has already tried.

It is crap that immigrants do the jobs others don't want, there are people who do want to but are turned down!

2007-05-15 23:23:55 · answer #6 · answered by LYN W 5 · 4 0

You'll be waiting forever as there is no hard evidence.

The British public work the longest hours in Europe and Nobody can call us work-shy (except the government as it suits their needs!).

As with EVERY culture, there are always those that are too lazy to work fullstop (in which case we need to re-visit the benefits system and that number will sooon be reduced.)
The problem with this country is not that people aren't prepared to do certain jobs, it's that the government has allowed individuals to cadge a living from the state. Until we have a system whereby you only get out if you've paid in then there will always be the comments about the lazy British workforce.

For the majority though - it is wrong - we work hard and are not afraid to work in any role.

2007-05-15 22:46:52 · answer #7 · answered by Capt.Marsh 2 · 4 0

I dont know if this counts as hard eviedence but I will tell it you anyway my Partner has his own business he employed a local man a few months ago at first things were fine but then he stopped turning up, if he did he was late, he wanted to go early (3:00pm) and just generally didnt want to work, my boyfriend would come home stressed out everyday and couldnt have anytime off because he couldnt leave him in charge, he decided to look round for someone else, he was approached by a polish man and he interviewed well so he gave him a chance and he is brilliant, hes not lazy he doesnt skive, turns up everyday and on time and works really hard its like a weight has been lifted off my boyfriend he is so much happier now when he comes home. Some british people not all are bone idle basically and are not grateful for a job.

2007-05-15 23:01:15 · answer #8 · answered by bez 4 · 3 1

Ask anyone who works in the NHS. My ex- mother in-law was a nurse and I worked in HR and although plenty of Brits came looking for jobs, they soon changed their minds when they saw what was involved in cleaning a hospital ward. I recall a round of interviews where three English guys turned up wearing football shirts and proceeded to very loudly criticise two Polish ladies who had dared to look for gainful employment 'in our f***** country'. When told of the different procedures regarding the cleaning of different bodily fluids, they turned puce, said they would 'never do a job like that, that's what the immigrants are for'! Though I do not think that incidents like these should be used to support mass immigration, put yourself in the position of the employer and ask yourself who you would have employed.

2007-05-17 01:38:05 · answer #9 · answered by chunkymonkey 3 · 0 0

When we lived in the UK, my Turkish husband took a job that payed National Minimum Wage. Each of my three sons, who are English born and bred and DO all work, blithely stated that "....they wouldn't get out of bed for that money!" (Made my husband feel very valued - I don't think, but he stuck to it for 4 years!). Just to be clear, my husband wasn't an illegal immigrant - he had to go through rigourous screening before he could enter the UK, even though he had an English wife and we'd been married for some years. Whilst we were in the UK he worked long hours, paid Tax and NI and never took one penny from the state.

2007-05-15 22:43:58 · answer #10 · answered by uknative 6 · 2 0

There are plenty of people claiming unemployment benefit (in the millions) and yet jobcentre noticeboards and databases are chocca with minimum-wage jobs requiring no skills, that have in many cases been advertised for several weeks and have remained unfilled. I can't get to the jobcentre right now to provide you with a printout or photo, but you would be able to verify this for yourself with a quick visit.

2007-05-15 23:13:28 · answer #11 · answered by rainy-h 5 · 2 0

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