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is it true that God "rejected" jews as the chosen people because they "rejected" christ as GOD THE SON, the messiah.........

that can't really be answered until these questions are answered
1.) why did God "blind" the jews into believing Jesus wasn't the messiah? im not sure if he did, but i would think that God would want ANYONE to believe that Jesus was the messiah...
it really doesn't make sense to me
2.) people say God make a "covenant" that can't be broken with the jews as the "chosen people." that is also a concern, because Jesus said NO MAN can be saved unless through me, so did God break the covenant? was there a covenant to begin with? or is he talking about the jews that BELIEVE in jesus, rather than the jews who don't

DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT answer the question if you don't list your faith in the first sentence, it makes it very confusing if I don't know your faith while reading the answers, if you don't want to list your faith, DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

2007-05-15 16:29:07 · 29 answers · asked by Matthew T 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

29 answers

They were choosen before that

2007-05-15 16:31:28 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3 1

Christian with Jewish faith and Buddhist that is interested in Meditation and Chi.

and how dare you be as rude as to exculde people from a public online zone!?

why did God "blind" the Jews into believing Jesus wasn't the messiah?

How Rude of you, no respect for other religions.

im not sure if he did, but i would think that God would want ANYONE to believe that Jesus was the messiah...
it really doesn't make sense to me

He's not the messiah, just a Rabbi.

people say God make a "covenant" that can't be broken with the jews as the "chosen people."

Yep, it called the Torah[Old Testament].

that is also a concern, because Jesus said NO MAN can be saved unless through me, so did God break the covenant?

God said in the Old Testament that God is our only saviour. No MAN or FOREIGIN GOD can be our saviour.

was there a covenant to begin with? or is he talking about the Jews that BELIEVE in Jesus, rather than the Jews who don't

what...?

2007-05-15 16:36:34 · answer #2 · answered by me 4 · 0 1

Deist (look it up)
The answer is a little too obvious
So much so that many do not see
I can answer only with a Question!

Who wrote the original scirptures
Dead sea scrolls Tablets of moses etc etc etc.

If you finally come up with the correct answer
It should be no surprise it was the Jews themselves
Our Bibles are derived from their writings

While I do believe in the teachings and life of jesus
aAll that was written years after hs death are nothing more than Fiction. I am always amazed at so many who would
rather believe stories told by others that claim to be the word of god YET disbelieve that an all powerful entity does not have the power to relate the story himself.
God created the unverse and all things and has since moved on Read jesus teachings you have the kingdom of heaven within not up down or anywhere else.
Sorta like viewing great art Do you really have to speak to rembrandt to understand his paintings?

I think not Enjoy that which is given Live your own reality
Not someone elses you have been born with a precious gift
the inner bell of truth that sounds when you know something is really right Hear the bell heed it toll

:-)

2007-05-15 16:52:42 · answer #3 · answered by EEK 3 · 0 0

I am a Jew.

We do not believe that it is prophesied that the Messiah will be crucified. We do not believe that the Messiah will be the son of G-d. We do not believe that he will be raised from the dead any more than anyone else. We do not believe that he will appear twice, in what some Christians call a second coming. We do not believe that the Messiah will be our "savior" in the sense that he will redeem us from our sins.

These are all fascinating claims to make concerning anyone, but they are all irrelevant to the Messiah for whom the Jews have awaited these three thousand years. None of these things are prophesied in the Jewish Bible.

What then is this Messiah for whom we wait? The Messiah will be a mortal man, born of a normal man and woman. He will be of the undisputed scion of David through his father. He will become uncontested ruler in the Land of Israel over all the People of Israel, that is, all Twelve Tribes of Israel. He will have at least one son, who will be king after the Messiah dies a normal death at an advanced age.

He will be as described by the Prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 11:2-4): "full of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and the fear of G-d . . . he will smite the tyrant with the rod of his mouth, and slay the wicked with the breath of his lips . . ." (Maimonides explains this last as merely a parable, and not to be taken literally.)

Still, the Messiah will primarily be a prince of peace. As it says (Isaiah 52:7) "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of the messenger who announces peace."

The Messiah will bring an end to all suffering and war. He will rescue the Children of Israel from exile. He will teach the world how to revere truth, and they will all return to G-d (though not necessarily to Judaism). All forms of warfare will be abolished.

The Torah will be strengthened by the teachings and practices of the Messiah. It will not be weakened nor changed in the slightest.

The Jews will no longer be subjugated nor oppressed by other nations. (In fact, there will be no oppression or subjugation anywhere in the world, by anyone against anyone.) The Jews will be free in the Land of Israel. We will have the Holy Temple once again. We will have the full body of the Law restored by the full Sanhedrin and all lesser courts. And the Messiah will do all this on his first try. Indeed, this is how we will know he is the Messiah.

It will be through these signs that he will be recognized. It will not be through miracles, nor through resurrection of the dead, nor through any new creation. It will be through the total Redemption we will undergo (as described in brief above) that we will know the Messiah. And in truth, it is not for the Messiah that we eagerly wait, but for the Redemption itself. The Messiah is merely G-d's messenger and vehicle for that Redemption.

The man the Christians worship may have been a good person, and he may have taught many good things. (Although I hasten to point out that there are many teachings in the Christian Bible that are completely unacceptable to Orthodox Jews, and incompatible to the teachings of the Torah.) But he was not the Messiah for whom we await and have long awaited. He may have been crucified, and that's a horrible thing. But that merely proves to us that he was not the Messiah.

He was not the son of G-d any more than we all are; precisely no more or less. The very thought is repugnant to a Jewish person. G-d having a son in that manner? We shudder at the suggestion.

Nor do we believe he was resurrected. But even if he was, that would not make him the Messiah.

All this that is claimed about Jesus is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the Messiah. There will indeed be a resurrection, but not at the time of the Messiah's coming. That will be later. Much later.

The Jewish faith has no place for most of the Christian Messiah beliefs. Nor is there any way to reconcile Jesus with the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The two concepts have very little in common.

We still await the Messiah, and our faith is still strong.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/jewsandjesus.htm
http://www.beingjewish.com/faqs/faq2.html
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2007-05-15 17:34:04 · answer #4 · answered by Hatikvah 7 · 3 0

I was born, baptized, raised, confirmed and lived my life as a Roman Catholic until a few years ago. I now consider myself a very spiritual person.

The Jews are NOT the chosen people. They may have been over 2000 years ago but the Jews broke that covenant with God. Part of Jesus' mission was to teach everyone and to establish a renewed covenant with God. Most of the Jews, however, rejected Jesus and in addition cannot renew their covenant with God. The bottom line here is for everyone to follow the teachings of Jesus and to live their lives the way Jesus lived. This does not mean that everyone has to be a Christian to be saved but it does mean the every man, woman and child needs to learn to and practice treating others with respect as though they are walking in Jesus' shoes and or meeting Jesus along the path of life every day.

Judaism is a 'Dead' religion and has been for nearly 2000 years. This does not mean that Jews, like everyone else, should not be treated with respect but it does mean that Jews have been living in a state of limbo...

Here is another thing to keep in mind... Religion is about 'Control'. It is not about being a righteous person. It is up to the individual to be a good person.

2007-05-15 17:03:01 · answer #5 · answered by Todd Maz 4 · 0 0

I am Jewish (and thanks for requesting that people list their faith). I agree with L'Chaim--we have our faith, you have yours. Who is right ultimately? Who knows!! You certainly can't claim an absolute view of the truth any more than we can--it's a matter of faith. I happen to think that the "New Testament" is a nice story about a Jewish rabbi who was not the messiah. Why were people willing to die for Jesus? I don't know, but people have been willing to die throughout the centuries for other people. Were all the miracles attested to Jesus true? How should I know? Many miracles have been attested to people--including the Baal Shem Tov, the founder of Chassidic Judaism (for want of a better term)--including raising people from the dead! Including appearing to people after he died! Did this really happen?? I don't know, I wasn't there.

You say that our Bible is rife with statements pre-figuring Jesus. Well, many people believe that the writings of Nostradamus are true and have accurately predicted events of which he could not have known.

Do you see where I'm going with all this?? By all means, believe what you want to--I have no problem with that. But keep your beliefs to yourself and let G-d, who is the ultimate arbiter, judge in the end who has found a path to the Divine and who has not.

2007-05-15 18:26:39 · answer #6 · answered by Mark S, JPAA 7 · 0 0

I am Christian -
The very first part of your question needs attention -
"jew" is just a short form for the Tribe of Judah. Judah, the King Line, along with Levite, the Priest Line, were the CHOSEN in that this was the lineage chosen for the Christ to come through. (The combination of the two make Him King and High Priest). How can that be broken? Can you change the bloodline you were born through? Its a done-deal.
God didn't blind anyone to the fact that he was the messiah; do you think that the free will choice of man to believe or not believe was on hold for the time Christ was on the earth?

2007-05-15 16:42:53 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

My faith is in Yahweh Yeshua Messiah.

Israel is Gods firstborn, delivered from Egyption bondage. The Savior of the world was to be born of the seed of the woman (without sin nature) of the people Israel. Salvation to the rest of the world comes from the Jews.

The Jews rejected Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. Not all the Jews, but mostly the religious self righteous ones. But this made a way for salvation to reach the rest of the world. When the fulness of the Church comes in. So also, will there be many on Jesus side in the first Resurrection. And Jesus is the Messiah King of the Jews. So, Israel is restored. Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Israel can speed up their recovery if they repent for their part in Jesus crucifixion. And say, "Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the LORD.".

2007-05-15 16:37:53 · answer #8 · answered by t_a_m_i_l 6 · 2 1

Jew. Maybe theres a tiny little chance that Jesus was not actually Gods son. Maybe, paul lied about his vision. What proof do you have of Jesus being Gods son. The Jewish poeple. did not believe in Jesus as a messiah. God never told us he had a son. SO why shoudl we believe a man whoptold us this? If I told you today that I am G-ds son, would you believe me? Even if I had a whole story and ideas to back it up? I don't think so.

2007-05-16 06:38:14 · answer #9 · answered by tim 2 · 0 0

I am a pagan
. who is to say that god rejected the Jews.. "people say" it is also a perspective belief, I think most of the religions base that they are the chosen ones ask the Jews, the christian the pagan, the Catholics, the Mormons and even the Scientologists will all tell you they are on the true path of God... I think the best way to go about it is to know what is in your heart the words written by people.. can not guide you but what you know in you heart will.. you will find in every religion there is a and every book is a contradiction to what you found before. faith doesn't ask why.. that is why its faith.

2007-05-15 16:43:12 · answer #10 · answered by Laine 4 · 0 0

I'm Jewish and that guy you mention is not the messiah. Where is your proof? Just because some people believe in him doesn't make it true. There have been many false messiahs over the last 1500 years. Neither the guy you believe in "Hey zeus" or the other false messiahs meet the critera of being the messiah as written in the prophets. We "the Jewish people" are still waiting for the messiah.

2007-05-17 15:20:39 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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