Please dispute this response. Re: Existence of God.?

Question

Recently, there have been some TV shows that had guests argue the existence of 'God'.

This argument has always been convincing to believers like me. However look at this answer and help me dispute it.

This is the argument:


It takes intelligence to design a clock.

The clock designer goes to Home Depot for brass, screws, etc. and doesn't throw them into the air to form the clock. The designer must form order out of the chaos of the various components in order to assemble the clock. This is proof of intelligence.

Look at the Universe, how the planets travel around the sun, it is like a giant clock. Don't you see how there must be an intelligent God to design the universe?


The response was:


Where was the Home Depot of the sky that where God purchased the materials for the Universe?

"We believe in creation out of nothing".

We believe in belief out of nothing?

Answer 1

Where was the Home Depot of the sky that where God purchased the materials for the Universe?

Love this.

Answer 2

This is tied to the ceramic model of the universe - very much held in the west. However, when a seed creates a tree...is the seed or the tree that created the seed intelligent? There are process models (often seen more in the east) in which there is no creation. Through process it came about - there is no beginning or end.

Now if you are really tied (programmed from childhood, so it is a basic and fundamental assumption) - you may have a hard time conceiving something as process. (which, by the way, is what Darwinsim claims - Darwin claimed a process).

There are other ways to look at the universe, so to refute the argument you have to question your own fundamental assumptions about the universe. A child in the west may ask it's parents - how was I made, but this would make no sense in the east. A child in the east would ask it's parents - how did I grow.

Of course, this will not refute the argument for others - for you can not make others investigate their basic assumptions. They may just blindly believe their assumptions as being without them seem frightening.

~ Eric Putkonen

Answer 3

First, stop thinking this argument is compelling. If you take a step outside the average simple human way of thinking, you will see how bogus the "clockmaker" argument is. The main problem is that, no, you don't know that there was a clockmaker if you cannot trace the clock back to a maker. If you had never seen a clock or heard of clockmakers, you would have no reason to think the clock had any creator other than nature.

Second, give it up. ID / Creationism has NO science to back it up. Period. Keep your belief if you have to, but do not attempt to claim there is science in ID.

Answer 4

Funny stuff. But really now. God created all things, all things were created through Him. All things visible were created by things invisible. God didn't make us out of nothing, or nonexistance. What you see came out of the invisible realm by the Word of God. The spoken words that came from His mouth. Don't confuse yourself by thinking of God as made of the natural realm around us. His ways are above our ways and beyond our understanding. God is heavenly material, not earthly. God didn't have to go anywhere to gather materials, He spoke atoms into being. He is infinite in all ways, the Heavens in Heaven cannot contain Him. The Hebrew word for "dust" in the creation of Adam isn't like a pile of dirt or anything like that. It means the smallest known particle, the things the eye cannot detect. What is in the core of an atom? Sound. The very word of God binding all things together. The universe isn't some clock that He built and stepped back from. If it is anything like we know, it is a song. And God sings and the universe exists.

Answer 5

First of all, the universe is not like a giant cock. A clock has pieces that must fit together perfectly, and need to be manufactured in a precise way to achieve this. Gears need to be manually cut in order to fit together; shafts and couplings must be made specifically. Springs need to be heated and tempered specifically. Balance wheels need to be precisely calibrated.

The universe doesn't work this way. The universe is more or less self-regulating. Life comes about through chemical reactions that are self-sustaining. If the proper chemicals are around, and the conditions right, the reactions take place. DNA is capable of reproducing itself; a clock is not.

Answer 6

The response is rubbish but so is the argument from design- the universe and the earth are not perfectly designed. Our planet actively discourages survival of species and 70% of it is uninhabitable so it is logical to assume it hasn't been designed for the benefit of man and other animals but is the result of natural processes. The argument from design lost credibility in the early 19th century because it was untenable which shows how outmoded and misinformed many believers are if they think it is a compelling argument.

Answer 7

God made all things out of nothing, including the elements of the Universe; no Home Depot was needed.

God is also without a creator; He has always existed.

Answer 8

Invalid by using the reason of information because of the fact purely on the muse of religion you could say in case you think there is God, or that there is none. that's barely as impossible to coach the existence of God by using scientific approach as that's to disprove. There although is the way, and it truly is the way of something you could not deny. you could not deny which you exist, whether you're in basic terms a working laptop or pc simulation, or purely a information imagining fact. there is not any way every person may be only as specific approximately ones parentage, or the rest in existence for that matter, aside the existence of ones very own being. Your perception that God exists hence relies completely upon the undemanding data of your individual existence, and thanks to this it truly is no longer an effortless perception, like those that make up the physique of your expertise, all wanting a data. Your perception in God is your only appropriate way of believing in your self. it truly is your means of religion. We have faith in God by using means of religion, and thanks to this it is so efficient whilst interior the techniques.

Answer 9

Your assumption is that the universe was created with a purpose. Mainly for humanity.

The universe just simply came to be, no purpose was set out. It just happened.

The clock theory is that he needed the parts to make a clock.

The universe just came to be theory is just that, no parts were necessary as their was no preconceived plan or idea of what was to happen.

Answer 10

And the response was valid. Is there an infinite regression of complexity?

Also, order can come from chaos, given enough time. Chance beats the designer, if you give it 13-14 billion years.

Read up on chaos theory, and try again.