Didn't the Roman's nail Jesus to a cross?

Question

If this is so, it sounds like he had no choice in the matter so how can he have done it to save the world? He did it because some men dragged him and nailed him to a cross. As much as I sympathise with anyone who was nailed to a cross I cannot believe I owe them something. (Barring the sympathy I have already expressed) If he was also capable of miracles why didn't he simply escape to carry on his important message of peace and love? Him suffering death could mean absolutley nothing apart from his teachings might influence others, a fictional god has no bearing on this.It is quite obvious that the god part of the story was for him to get more followers as people were an easier target in them days. Ok so he made that bit up, I can accept that as he was doing it for the right reasons. We are all privvy to the same evidence on this subject so the only reason you would believe in god is as you wanted to, not because you thought he existed.This is delusional. What does anyone think?

RBI "won't go into long explanation, since you don't believe"

You mean my claims that he made god up sound extremely likely therefore you'll back out of that part of the question?

Pathetic.

BTW, we have more written down, eye witness testimony for the resurrection of Jesus Christ then we do for the existence of Napolean, and yet no one questions his life....

You conveniently miss out that no one makes any money from Napolean being alive or not! The church had vested interest in controlling the people and has done for centuries. You really do only see what you want to see. I would imagine all these eye witness' weren't jesus fans by any chance?

"Jesus was taken first before the Pharisees and Sadducee's, he could of told them anything and walked away but he told them he was indeed the Messiah, the Son of God so they had him crucified"

Even 2000 years ago that was possibly seen as delusional. I forgot that the bible is absolutely true as well, couldn't be wrong in any way....

sxanthop-yes I need to read more on Jesus you say, why not put a link to some propaganda for me? Oh you have done. You can't just cite the bible and other forms of propaganda to make a point.

Tzadiq-shows your motivation for believing. You, my friend, are spineless.

You are confused and using logic that misses the point.

And you are quoting the bible. A man made written book to promote christianity and illogical religion...

Answer 1

My dear, His death was the culmination of His earthly ministry for us, not the END!
Our hope lies in the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, because it gave Him the authority to do what He did in our name (and YOURS too!). Without the resurrection there would be NO hope for humanity. So the death was necessary.

BTW, we have more written down, eye witness testimony for the resurrection of Jesus Christ then we do for the existence of Napolean, and yet no one questions his life....

Answer 2

Great question! This is one that brings out some real doozies. I've never understood why that aspect of the myth that is Jesus, seems to be what many christians latch onto. They kinda miss the point of what jesus said and get all wrapped up in the "died for my sins" deal, which makes no sense or has much to do with JC's message. I feel he died for what he believed in, not for me. I can take much from his example, but honestly is his plight and story much different than say Martin Luther King. A great and inspirational man who preached peace and unity, who sacrificed much for his people and ultimately paid the greatest price. I would think that the sins he died for are far more real, relative and people today are far more responsible for them than any one is for jesus death today. Jesus was trying to reform His religion. (He Was A JEW, a a fact which seems to be conveniently ignored)
2000 years of propaganda and political manipulation and MLK will be walking on water and rising from the dead to. TIME TO PUSH THE REFRESH BUTTON ON OUR MYTHOLOGY. (PS I have read the bible, terrible character development. Jesus is this kid, then bam hes a man. What about teen jesus. I bet he was hard to handle, you know teens. Imagine how cocky he would be, showing up at the father /son picnic with.... GOD. he'd win all the events.) I am not an atheist,b but don't agree with any of the western religions.

Answer 3

the only possibilities i'm waiting to make are A, B or C simply by fact i'm not Jewish. The Romans had no interest in Jesus simply by fact they did not intervene in Jewish, religious regulation. i think there might have been a Roman F, yet Romans did not affiliate with Jews and that makes F uncertain as a decision for me, too. i'm a regulation-abiding citizen, so i don't think of i ought to get carry of demise sentence. That leaves me with being Pilate (C). Pilate tried his best to stay away from the trial and execution, yet simply by fact he needed to keep his stature and place, he acted pragmatically. that should be me. I merely hate it while forced to confess i'm a yukko !

Answer 4

First of all, I totally understand RBI's non-answer. Since you really seem determined to dismiss the resonses, there would appear to be no point.

But, I've had coffee and a couple of minutes so here we go.

In order to understand why Jesus did what he did ... or rather didn't do anything at all ... you'd have to understand the reason for his death. His death was NECESSARY for the redemption of mankind. Yes, absolutely Jesus could have saved himself. If you read the bible, you'll see the account in the Garden of Gethsemane where Peter was chastised by Jesus for using his sword to defend him. Peter was told by Jesus that if he wanted he could call down a legion of angels to come to his defense. He DIDN'T. Why? Because he knew his death was necessary to balance the scales of justice so we might have hope. His willingness to die was prefigured by Isaac's willingness to die at Abraham's hand. I today's terms, Isaac could have TAKEN Abraham in a heartbeat. He was a young vital man. His father was about 120 years old. But Isaac trusted in his father and understood what he might have to do. Jesus understood the need for his sacrifice and never questioned his father.

As far as your question as to why he didn't simply live and keep preaching etc.? Because what he was teaching and the promises for the future were BASED on the sacrifice he knew he would have to make. Without his death, nothing he said was valid.

Answer 5

The idea is that he could have gotten away, but chose to accept the punishment and let himself be sacrificed for all mankind. It is a metaphorical replacement of a single blood sacrifice for the former sacrifices of atonement specified in the Old Testament. That's why Jesus is the Lamb of God. People used to sacrifice lambs to atone for sins.

However, the concept became that one just needs to accept Jesus's sacrifice and that would replace the atonement ritual blood sacrifices. That doesn't mean that's all you have to do to be saved. There are some Christian ideas regarding being and doing good in addition to accepting Jesus's sacrifice, and in the Book of Revelation, John says that on Judgment Day the living and the dead will be judged "according to what they have DONE."

But you get the basic idea.

Answer 6

Jesus did it because His Father, the Almighty God sent Him to us in the flesh to live among us, for Jesus was the Word of God come to us in the flesh. Jesus knew all along that He would be sacrificed for our sins, because that was what His purpose was for us all along.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

It was God's will that Jesus be crucified for our sins, and Jesus always obeyed His Father.

And just to remind you.... Jesus rose from the dead on the third day, for He is not dead, but went through that horrible death so people can have eternal life in heaven. Without what Jesus did for us, and without our accepting Him as our personal savior, everyone would end up in hell to be tormented for all eternity. And if you want a glimps of what that would be like, here it is...

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

But it's your choice as to whether or not you accept Him as your personal Savior. And by the way, you owe Him your life, because He gave His up for you!

Answer 7

The Romans (note that the apostrophe is not used in the plural) nailed many people to crosses. That was, at the time, the prefered method of execution.

The original Christian message of Christ on the cross was that it was so awful a death that we should be shamed into right behavior. The complex and incomprehensible notion of atonement was worked up much later.

Answer 8

Your sins nailed him to the cross. The Romans were only the human instruments that carried out the act.

Be careful about mocking what you do not understand. We are assured of our salvation.

In the end if we are wrong, and we arn't but you mockers like if questions, then we won't know it. We've lost nothing.

But if your wrong?

Edit: You have no idea of what my motivation is. I was only pointing out the obvious. Looking at your additions tells me you weren't really looking for answers just people to put down but then you original diatribe made that obvious.

Answer 9

Yes, Jesus was crucified on the cross at Calvary. For more information including the audio scriptures, please visit www.lds.org
To gain a full understanding, it takes time to sincerely pray to Jesus' father God himself.
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Christ is our example of one who we should follow. He taught many lessons and powerful principles that span across all cultures, all nations, tongues, and peoples. He died that we may live again. He suffered for all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female. Even the wicked and the righteous. Through Christ, we will all be resurrected just as He 3 days after this terrible Crucifixion. He also visited His other sheep found in John 10:16.
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Answer 10

1) Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution. They banged up hundreds of people on crosses in various positions.

2) If Christ did it for us and went to heaven, he didn't really suffer, did he? It was all pre-arranged so he could get his big reward.

3) People have suffered a great deal more physical pain than Christ did before he was crucified. I expect the Japanese torturers of WWII and Saddam's henchmen could keep someone alive and in agony almost indefinitely if they wanted. An afternoon's whipping, humiliation and being nailed to a cross was nothing compared to some of the stories coming out of torturing regimes.