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they did not.
the main falsehood in your attack is that you claim protestants dropped seven books. when in fact they did not.

2007-05-14 17:17:11 · answer #1 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 1 1

Hey kait, please note that when you say the 'Apocryphal' books contain 'unbiblical' teachings, do you realise that is the absolute definition of circular reasoning? And why do you --and others -- accept the authority of the early Church Fathers who didn't like these books, but deny the authority of the ones who accepted them??

You say that none of these books are quoted in the New Testament: so is every single other book of the Old Testament quoted somewhere in the New?

And by extension, by whose authority do you accept the books of the New Testament? Do you realise that the Church existed for almost a hundred years before the last book of the NT was written? And almost 300 years before the books of the NT were definitively settled?

How can you assert the fallacy that the church is built on the Bible, when the Church existed before the Bible?

BTW, Martin Luther had no real problem with the 'Apocryphal' books: he bothered enough to translate them, even if he did put them in a special section apart.

2007-05-15 00:35:09 · answer #2 · answered by The Grey Piper 2 · 0 1

If you are referring to the Apocrypha, I would disagree with you. The books were never determined to be of real benefit, and their information less than accurate. That said, what difference does it make, really? The whole point is what Jesus did by coming in human form, for all of mankind. Try focusing on that, rather than what books might have been left out of any particular Canon of scripture. This not unlike the 2 kingdoms in Gulliver's Travels arguing over how a cooked egg should be eaten. The heart of the issue is your relationship with Jesus Christ, who is Messiah. Is He your savior, and Lord, or just another subject to argue about? The issues about why Protestantism came into being to begin with runs a lot deeper than just whether the Apocrypha is included in a Bible or not. Get real, who is Jesus to you, that is the central core of everything. One last point, Jesus had nothing good to say about the religious traditions of man. If He didn't then, He still doesn't now, think about it.

2007-05-15 00:28:16 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

According to the New Testament it says the the Jews were given the oracles of God and those books you talk about that are in the Old Testament are 5 books and 2 additional chapters that the Jews did not include in the Tenauch !!!

So that change came about in about 300 AD !!!

2007-05-15 00:23:17 · answer #4 · answered by rapturefuture 7 · 0 0

" The Apocrypha refers to 14 or 15 books of doubtful authenticity and authority that the Roman Catholics decided belonged in the Bible sometime following the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic Council of Trent (1545-1563) canonized these books. This canonization took place largely as a result of the Protestant Reformation. Indeed, Luther had criticized the Catholics for not having scriptural support fur such doctrines as praying for the dead. By canonizing the Apocrypha (which offers support for praying for the dead in 2 Macabese 23:45-46), the Catholics suddenly had "scriptural" support for this and other distinctively Catholic doctrines.
Roman Catholics argue that the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament) contained the Apocrypha. As well, church fathers like Iranians, Tortellini, and Clement of Alexandria used the apocryphal books in public worship and accepted them as Scripture. Further, it is argued, St. Augustine viewed these books as inspired.
Protestants respond by pointing out that even though some of the Apocryphal books may have been alluded to in the New Testament, no New Testament writer EVER quoted from ANY of these books as holy Scripture or gave them the slightest authority as inspired books. Jesus and the disciples virtually ignored these books, something that wouldn't have been the case if they had considered them to be inspired.
Moreover, even though certain church fathers spoke approvingly of the Apocrypha, there were other early church fathers - notable Origin and Jerome - who denied their inspiration. Further, even though the early Augustine acknowledged the Apocrypha, in his later years he rejected these books as being outside the canon and considered them inferior to the Hebrew Scriptures.
The Jewish Council of Jamie, which met in A.D. 90, rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture. Combine all this with the fact that there are clear historical errors in the Apocrypha (especially those relating to Obit) and the fact that it contains unbiblical doctrines (like praying for the dead), and it is clear that these books do not belong in the Bible. In addition, unlike many of the biblical books, THERE IS NO CLAIM IN ANY APOCRYPHAL BOOK IN REGARD TO DIVINE INSPIRATION.

2007-05-15 00:18:43 · answer #5 · answered by Freedom 7 · 3 1

Why not just believe in Dionysus or Bacchus instead who were killed and resurrected and their ancient rites included the wine and the bread --the body and blood. Christianity is an altered version of pagan belief systems that infiltrated Judea during Roman times mixed with Judean religious orthodoxy.

2007-05-15 01:39:35 · answer #6 · answered by Dean * 4 · 0 1

Evidence is that the Apocrypha was rejected by the early church. For a number of reasons such as none of the Apocrypha is quoted by Jesus or the apostles yet you find them quoting the other books amply. The Apocrypha wasn't accepted unitl the protestant reformation and it seems it was done as a reaction to the reformation. Another reason is they contain historical and geopraphical errors. The list of early church members who clearly rejected the apocryha includes the Jewsish scholars of Jamnia, Origen, Cyril of Jerusalem,Athanasius,Jerome,and many more. Not until 1546 in a polemical action at the counter reformation Council of Trent did the Apocryphal books recieve full canonization status by the Roman Catholic Church. I have to chuckle at the thumbs down. Look into your own church history and you will see the Roman Catholic church didn't grant these books full canonization until the counter reformation council of trent in 1546.

2007-05-15 00:19:08 · answer #7 · answered by Edward J 6 · 1 3

Yes, in 1529 Martin Luther removed 7 books from the Bible. He wanted to remove more but he no basis for argument to back himself up on those. That is why Protestants do not believe in Purgatory, it has been removed from their Bible.

God bless,
Stanbo

Tobit
Judith
! Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
Sirach
Baruch

2007-05-15 00:20:03 · answer #8 · answered by Stanbo 5 · 1 2

Wouldn't that make all of Christianity a falsehood, because the council of Nicea dropped many more boks from the bible as you know it today?

2007-05-15 00:18:14 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2 3

Half truths but, someone said on this site to be careful of halftruths because you just might have the wrong half and I though not only was that clever but, true.

2007-05-15 00:18:56 · answer #10 · answered by Midge 7 · 0 0

Isn't making an assertion without citing any evidence proof of being dropped on your head one too many times by your mother?

eh, I mean you, of course.

2007-05-15 00:58:29 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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