Christians and Catholics, what would it take?

Question

What would it take to convince you that the Bible and its God ARE fatally flawed (assuming you're not yet convinced)?


And if nothing could ever convince you, isn't your "faith" pretty meaningless? Isn't it, in fact, mere stubbornness ...

Answer 1

Faith is the belief in something without a scientific proof. It is having trust or strong belief in a religion or philosophy. It is the essence of faith to believe strongly. If I had some stipulation on my faith that if I figured X, Y, and Z out then I would no longer believe, then it isn't much of a faith at all. To say that nothing can convince me that my Lord isn't real doesn't say my faith is meaningless. In fact, it says the opposite of that. It says that my faith is strong. If you want to call that stubbourn, then be my guest. Thankfully, my faith is stronger than your disbelief and obvious issues.

Answer 2

You claim the Bible and God are "fatally flawed" but you do not provide any evidence to support your claim. You had very well better find some evidence, otherwise you won't stand a snowball's chance in hell of convincing anyone who is not alreaday skeptic.

Logically speaking, there are two reasons you fail to provide evidence supporting your claim, that God and the Bible are flawed.

1) You are unwilling to present evidence - which doesn't make any sense. Reason suggests that, if you did have evidence, you would present it simply to give your claim at least some semblance of credibility.

2) You are unable to present evidence - a far more realistic possibility. Reason suggests that, since you did not present evidence in support of your claim, you simply don't have any.

The quick dismissal of your weak opinion has nothing to do with being stubborn. It has everything to do with the fact you haven't made a case worth consideration by the intellectually honest faithful.

Answer 3

Nothing at this point.

I understand the Bible was written by literate and educated men, in a time when most of the population had an IQ that was just above that of pond scum. It was a mechanism of control and manipulation (not unlike today, especially when I see some of the interpretations being put forth). Some people need the sense of security that they are being "watched over" or "protected" by a benevolent being; others have been "indoctrinated" into a value/belief system through fear and manipulation. Some people eventually make the "leap of faith" to start thinking and believing for themselves and accept the fact that God, whatever God may be, is a personal thing.

Although, the words attributed to the Christ may have been editted by men, but the concepts that are attributed to Christ are still valid idea(l)s. Many people that disagree with these ideas fail to grasp the concept of love Jesus preached, he didn't say love this one (for this reason) and condemn that one (for another); he said love your brother as yourself. Basically, love everyone, no matter what. Most (not all) of the condemnation of people comes from the Old Testament; yet many people need a reason to hate, thus they quote the God of that Testament. The New Testament is based on love and forgiveness, not hate and revenge.

Jesus said love each other as I have loved you, not persecute that group and hate this group. Men wrote the Cardinal Virtues, the Acts of Mercy, etc.; at least I haven't seen them specifically listed anywhere in the Bible.

Again, people will not like this because it is contrary to what THEY believe and what THEY WANT you to believe. They would control your thoughts and actions and have you conform to/with their morals, ideals and values based on their personal interpretation of scriptures, or the interpretations of someone they trust and believe in.

I think for myself. I was born perfect the way God made me; I am forgiven as Jesus promised; and I'll see my version of paradise. My faith is in John 11:25. All I have to do is believe...in word of Jesus, not the words of men.

Answer 4

Surprsingly, I do agree with your premise. If a person holds a belief, and there's nothing that could ever convince them otherwise, than they are not being rational. So what would it take to shake my belief in God and the Bible? Well, the Bible's easier. If scientists were able to unmistakeably identify the body of one Jesus of Nazareth, for instance, that would seriously undermine my confidence in it. God's harder since I think it's practically impossible to either prove or disprove His existance. My faith in Him tends to come from a personal relationship I feel I have with Him and from times when I've seen things I cannot explain satisfactorily any other way. I guess, therefore, that in order to convince me that God does not exist, I would have to consistantly feel alone and I would have to stop seeing a positive impact of faith on my life. This answer may not be as concrete as you like, but there you go.

Answer 5

Nothing will ever convince me that God is flawed. The Bible isn't flawed either. But some of the translators had trouble with some of the words and wrote what they thought them to be.

As for my faith, it is richer for knowing God loved me enough to send His only begotten Son to die on the Cross for my sins.

Answer 6

The greatest proof for Christianity or Catholicism is that Christ rose from the dead.

The fundamental aspects of the account are:

1. Jesus' burial
2. the discovery of his empty tomb
3. his post-mortem appearances
4. the origin of the disciples belief in his resurrection

There are many supporting facts for each of these claims. Here are four such facts that are widely accepted by most historians.

1. Jesus' burial is multiply attested in early, independent sources.
2. On the Sunday after the crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers.
3. On different occasions and under various circumstances different individuals and groups of people experienced appearances of Jesus alive from the dead.
4. The original disciples suddenly and sincerely came to believe that Jesus was risen from the dead despite their having every predisposition to the contrary.

The best explanation for these facts is that Jesus rose from the dead. If a better explanation is presented then that would certainly call Christianity into question for me.

Answer 7

Why is it so important for everyone to convince people that the bible/god is in any way flawed? I can not see the importance of this adventure, sorry.

Answer 8

And why does this bother you? If I desire to be stubborn, what does it matter to you? Can't I live my life the way I want to? Isn't this America, Land of the Free? What's the problem? I'm minding my own business.

Answer 9

Well maybe if God came and told me??? Hum still wouldn't work. As god cannot lie, so I have to believe in him as he has shown the truth to me. What would it take for you to believe? Would you believe if God came and told you he truly existed? Or would you just blow it off to a dream or a hallucination?

Answer 10

Oh my DD, finally I got the truth!!! After 2000 years, millions of people died in Christ, religions, wars, misunderstanding, cultures, philosophy and philosophers, theology and theologists, and so on....... finally you arrived to tell us the 'Truth'! Thank you, thank you, thank you very much for your goodness!.......... Bye. Lol.