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Question

Aethists are constantly asking for scientific proof that God or Allah exists. Personally, I would like for them to scientifically, prove that He doesn't.

I realize that since it is logically impossible to prove a negative tht you have your work cut out for you. But please, give it your best shot.

Bear in mind that I am looking for scientific evidence, not personal opinion. I am not looking for "I have cancer and a good God wouldn't do that to me, so He can't exist." That is an emotional opinion based on your anger at the percieved unfairness of you having cancer and has nothing to do with scientific evidence.

Appearently I need to clarify. Prove that there is no higher intelegence, no supreme being, or whatever you want to call it. I am not going to limit you to one religion. I am not asking you to prove that the Christians are wrong, or to prove Allah doesn't exist.

The challenge is: Prove that there is no god.

Also, from my point of view it is more unreasonable to claim that there is no god. So the burden of proof remains on the atheist.

Answer 1

Just so you know, it IS possible to prove a negative. Proof by Contradiction is a nice technique for it.

Having said that, proofs about god have little to do with logic. I have two main reasons:

1. In order to use logic, you need to start with a clear definition. I'm afraid that the concept of God is a bit too amorphous for that. Narrow it down some, and we can talk.

2. Somebody may or may not answer your question with a logical argument. Whether it is correct or not, there will be people (I think many) on both sides who skip right over the logic of it and agree or disagree according to their personal beliefs. Personal agendas tend to step on logic.

Would you be convinced by a logical proof? Is your religious faith subject to reason?

If so, then perhaps you should consider that, in the absence of a solid proof on either side, the only tenable position is agnosticism.

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OK, I can see that I would be disappointed if I asked your question and these were all the replies I got. So, I'll take a stab at it, although you've probably seen them before. All are phrased as questions. Feel free to answer them if I'm being daft--or, help me to find a God concept that is not impugned by them.

I can't take credit for these arguments; I'm just remembering them.

1. Humans produce unpleasant waste products that pose health risks to humans. Why would an all-powerful creator who loved humans design us with such a feature?

2. Why do men have nipples?

3. If God loves humans, why does hell exist?

4. Why does God make humans guess as to her/its/his existence and nature? Surely an omnipotent being could do something more convincing than printing a book. Humans can do that. Humans can fake that. Humans can manipulate that entire process, cover to cover. Why not do something obviously supernatural? It could draw a much greater number of converts, and teach them precisely how to please God.

5. Given that God has chosen to communicate with us through a flawed mechanism (flawed in the sense that it can be doubted), why does the human bear all the blame for failed communication?

Answer 2

Well "Proving" God is impossible. I think he meant it too be that way.

Now, You can prove most of the things that happened in the bible.

Most Archaeologist's are sure there was a flood. They did a satallite image of the world and discovered two lost "river's" That connected to the Tigeris and The Euphrates, Which are believed too be the Rivers that are explained in the bible to get you too The Garden of Eden...

The terrible things that happened in Eygpt can be explained by scientist, The only discretion is that fact that all of these things happened at once, which a scientist would call a "coincendence"

But that fact that they were all explained EXACTLY how they would have happened, by people who were not scientific enough too come up with that, just proves they were telling the truth....

When you really take a look at the bible and explain it with science and HISTORY, It's proves enough.

Answer 3

It is up to the person making the wild claim (i.e.: Christians claiming a specific god) to prove their case. It is not up to me to disprove it. Can you imagine what kind of world we would be living in if we went around believing everything until it was absolutely disproven? There would be utter chaos. I also can’t disprove Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy or the FSM. Do they exist?

Also, everyone has to defend their beliefs and there are no exceptions. Trust me, Christians are not called on to do this more than any other group (they just whine about it the most).

Answer 4

This reminds me of the old "Dick and Jane" readers when I was a boy in school. One of my favorite parts was when they
wrote "See them run."

"See the atheists run." They still give the same nonsensical answers that have permeated this room from the first time Yahoo Answers came into existence.

I feel sorry for them that their "finite" intellect is stretching to the breaking point trying to explain God away when if they would simply tune in to His "infinite" intellect they would wake up from their dream.

It is a very sad thing to see such a valuable tool as a brain wasted on drivel (albeit intelligent drivel)!


EDIT; DOCTOR B - Agnosticism is hardly tenable ground since the words of Christ clearly declare that "You are either for me or against me." A safe middle ground doesn't exist between Athesism and Christianity and is a myth providing temporary shelter for a lie.

Answer 5

You can't prove a negative, and you know that. Also, if the cancer thing is an emotional opinion, then what is it when someone claims that God cured their cancer?

Answer 6

Quote

"A truth is not necessary, because we negatively are not able to conceive the actual existence of the opposite thereof; but a truth is necessary when we positively are able to apprehend that the negation thereof includes an inevitable contradiction. It is not that we cannot see how the opposite comes to be true, but it is that we are able to see that that the opposite cannot possibly be true."

Answer 7

Good luck sweety, you just stepped into the snake nest I am afraid.

The Ol' Hippie Jesus Freak
Grace and Peace
Peg

Answer 8

I'd love to give that a try.
First, I'll need you to describe your god in discrete, testable terms. We don't need a complete description, just a few points should do the trick.
From there, it really shouldn't be that difficult to see whether or not those points are verified or not.

Answer 9

The sceintific evidence that you are asking for is the lack of scientific evidence that we have.

But if you want to take it a little bit further...Nothing...NOTHING in the bible has been proven. Therefore if the bible is considered moot, and if you didnt have the bible to begin with you wouldnt have christianity or your god or jesus now would you? Furthermore bits of scientific evidence that have been proven to be accurate and evidence that has been found only deepen the belief that the bible is indeed inaccurate.

so you take away the bible...what else are you taking away?

Answer 10

Wow, such a brave position. Ask a question you know can't be answered because you can't defend a position that logically could be answered.

I think that demonstrates his lack of existence well enough for me.