Old Testament Trinity vs. New Testament Trinity -- the same or different?

Question

When the Lord Jesus ascended, did He strip off His humanity in His enthronment or is there a Man in the glory who's life is for us?

Has the experience of Jesus' human living been added to the Trinity or is the Trinity the same as He was prior to Christ's incarnation?

"Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God, a treasure to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men, and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient even unto death, and that the death of a cross. Therefore also God highly exaulted Him and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that in the name of JESUS (His humanity) every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue should openly confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father" (Phil 2:5-11)

"For there is one God and one Mediator of God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus" (1Tim 2:5)

Evidence of OT Trinity -- Gen 1:26a "And God said, Let US make man in our image, according to OUR likeness"

Scriptural references concerning the Trinity:

(Col 1:19: For in Him all the fullness was PLEASED TO DWELL; Col 2:9: For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily)

(John 1:18: No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him)

(Col 1:15: Who is the image of the invisble God, the Firstborn of all creation)

So, the Son and the Father are one (John 10:30: I and the Father are one)

"Now the Lord is the Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17)

"The last Adam (Christ) became the life-giving Spirit" (1 Cor 15:45a)

"One God and Father...who is IN all" (Eph 4:6).

"Jesus Christ is IN you" (2 Cor 13:50)

"His Spirit that dwelleth IN you" (Rom 8:11).

"Jesus answered and said to him, if anyone loves me, he will keep My word, and my Father will love him, and WE will come and make an abode with him" (John 14:23).

These verses reveal that God the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are IN us.

Answer 1

We are all baptized in "the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." That should answer your question.

Peace and blessings!

Answer 2

The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.
Recommended Resources: Making Sense of the Trinity: Three Crucial Questions by Millard Erickson.

Answer 3

Old Testament:

The only trinity found in the OT is Baal.

Harper’s Bible Dictionary

Baal / Bel ,

translates into English as Lord
offspring of El, (Hebrew for God)
worshiped as a triad / trinity.

Why I can’t believe in the royal we, idea to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22,

If Jehovah talked with the royal we or us, etc, why did He only do it only 4-5 times.

Why didn’t He or doesn’t He continue to do to so through out the bible.

Why didn’t He use the royal we at Gen. 1:29, 30 only 3 verses later, or Gen. 2:18, Gen. 3:11, 15
and through out the rest of the bible? Why at Isa. 6:8, does Jehovah say “Whom shall I send”?

Job 38:4-7 shows that the angels were existing at the creation of man, so Jehovah wasn’t alone and had many spirit creatures to talk to.

Instead, which sounds more real and truthful, that Jehovah was talking to someone who is His Master Worker, His Firstborn Son, His Faithful Witness, who is His image, His exact representation, OR He was talking to Himself. (Prov. 8:30; Heb. 1:3; Col 1:15)

Bible scholar Donald E. Gowan said “There is no support in the O[ld] T[estament] for most of the proposed explanations: the royal ‘we,’ the deliberative ‘we,’ the plural of fullness, or an indication of a plurality of persons in the Godhead.

Why does the word Elohim according to Strong’s Cyclopaedia, when it applies to Jehovah means Supreme God, not Gods? Even when this word is applied to Moses (Ex. 4:16 & 7:1) it doesn’t mean that there are 3 Moses, it doesn’t even mean there are 2 Moses.

(Side point when Jesus said if you see me you see the Father, it is because he is the image of God, the exact representation of his Father. When you see an image in a mirror you are seeing a representation, not the actual person. Col 1:15)

(Side point, According to my college dictionary, begotten means “to be born”, to be born means “brought into life or being” when was Jesus brought into life, when he came to life as a baby? No, as Jehovah’s Firstborn of creation Col. 1:15; Rev 3:14)


Finally The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

Jesus didn't teach it (John 17:3, Rev 3:12)
John didn't teach it (Rev 1:6)
Paul didn't teach it. (Rom 15:5,6)
Peter didn't teach it (1 Pet 1:3)

Why should we try to teach it?

1 Cor 8:4-6
4 Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father,

Answer 4

Why do you think that Jews nor muslims don´t and never will accept trinity, because is not in the old testament, according to the new testament God sent his son (John 3:16) but the question is? Which one' according to the bible all angels are sons of God (Job 1:6, 2:1) and existed before creation of the universe (Job 38:4-7) according to Isaiah 42:1 God will choose a servant, which one of them because in the new testament in Hebrew 1:14 all angels are servants of God, so the point is that the old testament in Malachi 3:1-3 called angel of covenant that god will sent, so God sent an angel, which one? the first one. According to the NT in colossians 1:15-17 Jesus is the firstson of God and the rest of the sons were created throught him.

That is why you see that the voice of Jesus is the voice of an Archangel (1 Thessal. 4:15-16) and the description of Revelation 10:1 of an strong angel fit with the description of Jesus, Jesus is the first angel or son of God almighty, he was the assistant of God in the creation according to proverb 8:22-30, maybe you don´t know but the bible said that all angels are gods (Psaml 82:1-6) so Jesus is a god but not the almighty, Jesus said it in John 14:28.

Answer 5

There is the man Jesus Christ, and there is the God Jesus Christ, and they are the same. He is also called the Word of God. He created all things. You need to understand the first chapter of John's Gospel in order to see that.

Also there is a very curious verse in Hebrews:
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

God calls Jesus God. And in the Old Testament God says some of those things, but also he reveals himself to be 'the Lord is my Salvation, The Rock of Salvation, The Deliverer, God is my Savior', those that were entrusted with the Torah and the prophets did not always see that. But Abraham did. And very few others in the Old Testament did. Jesus talked about them here:
John 8: 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Jesus was around, as you have brought as scripture, before time even began.

Answer 6

In the gospel of John Christ is identified as the Word, the Word that was with God before time began. Christ himself in John's gospel (chapter 8) states that he existed before Abraham was ever born. He also equates himself with God a number of times throughout the gospels. An earlier contributor noted that God's Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit) took part in the creation of the universe. All of this indicates that the Trinity existed before time began - that God was always a Trinity. There is a famous icon of the trinity that depicts it as three angels each looking towards the angel on it's right. The point of the icon is that the Trinity embodies selfless love and compassion. God is much more than a monolithic lawgiver.

Answer 7

There is no trinity in either one. Read Deuteronomy 4:35-39, John 1:1-14, John 14:9, Colossians 2:9-10, I Timothy 3:16 and Revelation chapter one, then Hebrews 11:3. It all fits together and shows there is only one God. Three distinct persons, each being God, is three Gods.

Answer 8

The Old Testament Trinity = I AM that I AM Yahweh Elohim One Yahweh. (The Father, Word & Holy Spirit.)

The New Testament is when the Resurrected Jesus ascended & said to them, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. God ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of theHoly Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: aand, lo I Am with you always, even unto the end of the ages.".


Jesus in His Diety is Jesus the Word of Elohim. Yahweh Elohim the Father, Word & Holy Spirit. The Word of God became flesh & dwelt among. Jesus in His Humanity is new 2000 years ago.

Then also God highly exalted Him and gave Him the Name above all names. At the name of Jesus, every one shall bow, and every tongue confess, "Yeshua Messiah is Yahweh.". Yahweh is the the Name above all names. And this is New 2000 years ago. That in Jesus Resurrected humanity, He is also Yahweh.

So, I like to say that Gods Name Is, "I AM that I AM the Yahweh Elohim One Yahweh. Yahweh Yeshua Messiah." The Lord Jesus Christ is one with God the Father, Word & Holy Spirit. So also you could say God is the Father, Word/Son & Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ in His humanity (by being the seed of the woman, being a trinity in his humanity; body, soul & spirit) defeated satans deception and death. He was without sin and the wages of sin is death. So in His humanity He suffered our sins on the cross. So, He went down to the heart of the earth & overcame death for us & raised from the dead. We also will put on an everlasting body, soul & spirit at resurrection day complete. Jesus Christ the Man (standing at the right hand of Gods Glory) is our mediary forever because He shed His Own blood (once & for all) for remission of our sins and is Our High Priest forever after the order of Melchezedic.

Answer 9

the short answer is "Yes" There are many good books out there on the Trinity. FF Bruce had one. Bruce A Ware "Father, Son, and Holy Spirity".

Wayne Grudem's "Systematic Theology" is a good source as well.

The link below is a VERY abbreviated commentary...

Answer 10

God never Changes. Jesus is 1 part of the Trinity who is God, therefore, he never changes. Jesus in the Old Testament is the WORD, in the New Testament, he is the WORD made FLESH.