I love how aetheists say that science backs up their beliefs, and yet...?

Question

Look I have nothing against aetheists. They can live a much more moral life than some people who belong to religious denominations. I just hate how you say science is on your side alone and everyone who believes in God is insipid. But Science can also back up that their is a God.
1.) Science has proven to us that there is no such thing as a 100% chance of something. If there is a 99% chance there is no God, by the same token, their is a 1% chance there is. And vice versa.
2.) If we evolved from the evolutionary branch as apes (and I do believe in mitigated evolution), where did they come from. If you go back far enough in the history of the earth, things had to start somewhere, but how? Huh?

True that there may be a chance that God doesn't exist, but I use my FAITH for that. I don't have to prove that God exists, I just have to believe that he does. There are just some things that can't be explained.

True that there may be a chance that God doesn't exist, but I use my FAITH for that. I don't have to prove that God exists, I just have to believe that he does. There are just some things that can't be explained.

Sorry, "atheist" is the correct spelling. Black holes cannot be measured. they are theoretical. Science cannot disprove God by the same token.

I think therefore I am. I don't need the Bible to "prove my existence," but it certainly helps me exist in a way that is moral.

First. I hate all this animosity. Can't we just have an interesting, calm debate without insulting the other person. I was just sick and tired of saying that my beliefs are completely against science. Anbd being a student of the scientific world, this hurt me.

This is an interesting video. thanks for the person who directed it to me.

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=[e-mail]&cid=7

I am not a creationist for crying out loud.

THEISTIC (MEVOLUTION DEFINED
when one
claims to be a “theistic” evolutionist, he is claiming to believe in both God and evolution at the same
time. A brief review of the literature reveals the following definitions of theistic evolution:
1. “ ‘Theistic evolution’ states that God did create and develop the universe and its components, but that
He did it by evolutionary processes” (Jennings, n.d., p. 3).
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3. “Theistic evolution is the teaching that plants, animals, and man gradually evolved from lower forms,
but that God supervised the process.

So evolution exists, but God just got the ball rolling.

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I'M A CREATIONIST BENT ON DESTROYING THE CONCEPT OF EVOLUTION! I AM NOT AGAINST EVOLUTION. DARWIN WAS A GREAT GUY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT EVOLUTION DOES NOT DISPROVE GOD!

Answer 1

Science does not disprove god.

Science is silent on such subjects. Many scientists believe in god, in one form or another.

The reason science gets all into it with god is that many believers disbelieve science, because they feel god wants them to, or that science denies god's existence.

Science is silent on the subject.

Science DOES have something to say about the idea that all species were created in a short time, as they are now, as all the evidence disputes that.

All too many people on this site (on both sides of the god divide) mistakenly believe that it's one or the other: you either accept god, and reject science, or accept science and reject belief in god.

That's silly.

Most people in the world accept both.

I, BTW, am an atheist.

I don't have a problem with believers per se (though I do think you're wrong, that is, your belief is false).

As long as you don't try to force everyone else to live by what you think your imaginary friend wants, and stop trying to prevent science from being pursued, used to improve people's lives, and taught in schools, then I have no problem with you.

Many people that I have a great deal of respect for believe in god, or in other, similar "spiritual" beliefs I don't share. I think they're wrong about that, but that doesn't make them morons or insipid or uneducated.

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I dispute the first sentence of 1). What do you mean? There are lots of 100% things: The sun will appear tomorrow in the east; if deprived of oxygen, you will die; water left in a bowl where there's less than 100% humidity will evaporate.

As for 2, evolution is NOT about how life began -- though there's been a lot of work and thought on the question, and it's interesting as heck.

Evolution accounts for the variety of life that is, and in what descended from what, and how that process works.

Not knowing how the whole thing got started in the first place doesn't negate that we are descendants of earlier primates, who didn't look or act like us, have language, live in wood or stone homes, etc.

That we don't (yet) know how it started just means we don't know that piece.

There are theories, but we can't directly find out, as the Earth we have is full of life, not dead, and we don't have a time machine.

That doesn't mean that the whole story about god is true, it just means we don't know how life first happened.

What the first self-replicating material was, we don't know.

That doesn't mean that there's a being that's all powerful, all-knowing, or in any way (let alone all) benevolent.

Can't comment on all the Additionals, as they aren't visible in this screen.

Answer 2

At some level I have sympathy for your argument. Science cannot disprove that there is a supernatural explanation for why the universe exists, and fundamentally we are all basically clueless to explain how it is possible that anything exists at all. If you choose to believe that some god-like being created the universe, I won't argue too strongly with that claim. The problem I have is when you then jump from there to the conclusion that the Bible is an accurate document describing the god-like being and his plan for the universe. There are many other gods and creation stories that have been believed at different times in different cultures, and the Bible's stories are no more supported by objective evidence than these other stories. But I don't even have a strong objection to belief that the Bible is divinely inspired. What I do have an objection to is the ignorance, bigotry & hate that arises in many communities that believe the Bible is 100% true. I think we can reduce those negative aspects of organized religion by getting people to think more critically about evidence and logic and rely less on faith and dogma.

Answer 3

"1.) Science has proven to us that there is no such thing as a 100% chance of something. If there is a 99% chance there is no God, by the same token, their is a 1% chance there is. And vice versa."

There is at least a .01% chance.

"2.) If we evolved from the evolutionary branch as apes (and I do believe in mitigated evolution), where did they come from. If you go back far enough in the history of the earth, things had to start somewhere, but how? Huh?"

We didn't - apes went one way and humans went another. We broke off into two branches. Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor that evolved from another creature all the way back. Currently it is not known WHAT that beginning is, but that doesn't mean by default that a God did it.

Science doesn't support theism - it doesn't deal with supernaturalism whatsoever.

Answer 4

By your own argument then that only a 99% chance is not good enough - the fact that you have a 99% chance that you are alive intelligent and right proves absolutely that you are dead, ignorant and absolutely wrong!!!! Well even if only 1% here think that!!!!!

Evolution does not say we descended from apes - only ignorant Christians promote that fantasy! We share more genes with snails and cabbages!!

Even the pope as recently as a few weeks ago recognised evolution exists and that evolution in present and moderately historical times is a proven fact. He did however go on to say that as evolution of humans happened of such a geological time scale it would probably never be entirely provable!

Therefore the only ones who seek to deny evolution are the Pseudo Christians who have such a weak faith they cannot accept even the suggestion that it might exist.

And they cannot see why the rest of the world, other religions and atheist laugh at them!!!!!

Answer 5

I don't say that everyone who believes in got is insipid. I just say that those who completely deny science are. I don't understand why people have a such a problem reconciling god and science. I have no problem with people who believe in a god. But to deny evolution seems stupid to me, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Is it really so hard for people to believe in both? My grandfather believes in both god and evolution--he still believes god created the world, just that he did so through the big bang and through evolution. While I don't agree with his religious views, I respect that he doesn't completely abandon the physical evidence for the way the universe happened and how we all got here.

1) I would rather go with the 99% chance that there isn't. The scientific evience greatly outweighs the religious "evidence" that I've been presented with. Evolution is a proven fact. God is not. I choose to go with the more likely possiblity, and therefore I chose to believe that there is no god.

2) We have theories on this. Big bang. Primordeal ooze. We have examined it all the way back and come up with these theories on how we started. I simply prefer the scientific explanation to the religious one.

I have no issue with religious people in general. All I have a problem with are people who blantantly deny all of the physical evidence. I don't believe in god because there isn't any physical evidence. I have considered the posibility. I know many things about many different religions and yet I've still rejected the existence of god.

Answer 6

Actually, many things are 100% chance, like, if I drop this rock, it will fall down towards the earth, not up. The earth will rotate and the sun will set tonight, only to come up again tomorrow morning. That's 100%. Plants need water to live- 100%. etc. etc.

Based on what science tells us, there is a chance that there IS a god out there somewhere, but science is 100% sure it is NOT the God from the Bible, and 100% sure the Bible is nothing more than a collection of myths.

Take a class on evolutionary biology if you are really interested in how life on earth formed. It's far too complex to even give you the jist of it here, and surely not worthy of "It happened this way, believe me."

Science is an always progressing discipline that changes every day as new discoveries and thoughts are found and worked on. It takes nothing for granted, except for its core theories.

Study some science before posting about how it works and trying to make points as if you are so learned in the area, it really just makes you look foolish. Humble yourself and go out and learn about it.

Answer 7

Well first of all if a religion claims to be true than it must not contradict with established science(like the fact that the earth is geo-spherical).
Secondly , there is no such scientific principle which says that if you cant measure or see something then, it must not exist. For example, if an asian person hasnt seen lions ever in his life, then he cannot say that lions dont exist. Similar is the case of the 'String theory'. No one has ever seen any such 'strings' and neither it is hoped that anyone will see them, atleast in the foreseeable future, but because it explains many phenomena in Physics many scientist believe in it. As far as God is concerned, He is not supposed to be visible to physical science because God is not physical. But as many times we do in science, we can study the effects of God's existance. The greatest of which is our own universe. There is a principle in science that "Nothing comes out of nothing" . This principle when applied to the big bang will tell you that , if everything came into existance with the big bang and that there was nothing before the big bang, then the big bang could not have occured unless someone caused it to happen. Thats why I believe in God.

Thirdly those who ask the question that if everything has a creator and God created everything then who created God? The answer is that this question is based on our experience of time. The fact is that time is no more than a physical quantity like all the other quantities e.g length, mass,force etc.
As our knowledg can only take us as far as the boundries of our universe are, we know that there is no reason to believe that these quantities will remain the same if we go out of our universe.Because God is supposed to be the creator of everything , including time, and we know that time also came into existence with the big bang. So God is not bound by the flow of time as we are, He infact is the creator of time itself.

So in my view todays science supports the existance of God more than ever.

Answer 8

Athiests who believe in evolution are aware of this. That's why evolution is called a theory. Such as religion is a theory also. It's not that it backs up the beliefs but it shows some validity. Such as DNA now can be used to pin point the approximate years since apes and humans cells split. The thing is there's still a lot of questions. And atheists aren't afraid to say "I don't know" to some questions that are still unanswered, but the religious refuse to. No matter comes around to point to a contrary of their beliefs. And religion has a history of supressing this. Such as Galileo spending time in jail for disproving the earth revolved around the sun.

Answer 9

yes but then does that mean that you believe in ra,krishna,saraswathi,lakshmi,ghana etc? seriously..having your beliefs is ok...but this christianity conversion thing is what i don't like.....guess this conflict arises mostly when you try to convince people OF God's existence.....


"True that there may be a chance that God doesn't exist, but I use my FAITH for that. I don't have to prove that God exists,"

this is where the problem comes...YOU have that faith in God.OTHERS don't have that faith.when you're trying to convert a person who DOESN'T already have faith,you need evidence so that person finds it believable.how can anyone expect a person to be able to believe such an extraordinary claim such as God's existence WITHOUT any substantial evidence?
this is why many people get irritated with christians when they pester others by trying to convert.

sorry if you're not like that.i'm not judging you.i'm speaking from the general experience i've had with christians.

Answer 10

God created evolution and scientists are only trying to figure out what God has done. Science does not disagree with the Bible, and the only peopel who say it does are atheists who think themselves omniscient.
Like the Bible says, when people deny God they will think of themfelves as being God.