Why do people confuse the dogma of the Trinity into saying that Jesus is God? Because of St. Patrick?

Question

The Roman Catholic Catechism is very clear that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not equal. Why do people think that "the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father but they are not the same" translates into "Jesus is God"? Was the shamrock metaphor misleading? Is an egg a better metaphor?

Answer 1

The trinity is but one set of beliefs though most of the christians today are really on the verge of "modalism" which teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are really three offices held by the one God.

There are many Christians that do not believe either the trinity or modalism.

When a person says:
The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But not three gods only one God.

They are really teaching something akin to modalism. This is considered heretical by true trinitarians. Often they will use also the word or label "Godhead".

"Godhead" is in many bible translations. But the Greek word should be taken to be "God's Divinity and the multiple forms He shows this to us". Paul used local concepts or concepts locals understood to explain God.

True trinitarians do not believe in a "Godhead", as taught in modalism, they believe that each is God but each is a distinct entity.

This is where many religious teachers can confuse the newcomer to religion. It is easy for them to show the errors in modalism, but difficult to show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not also one with God in purpose and essence yet distinct self's which is close to "trinity".

The trinity was an add on doctrine in the early 300's.This was either appeasement or declaration by the true head of the council of that time. This was a human king or emperor not something from God.

There are many folks here on Y!R&S that can go into the "council" that added trinity. The trinity and modalism are strong deceptions.

Answer 2

I used to be a Catholic; but wow! where does this "shamrock or egg" fit in with God's truth about there being 3 in 1?
I know the Bible does not use the word "Trinity" however "Real arsenal" and "Barrych" have explained it truthfully.
I might add that a metaphor to there being 3 in 1 could be compared to an orange. An orange is one, but many individual sections of the orange make up one whole orange.

Answer 3

The Catholic Church absolutely teaches that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are equal. Read the following:

http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html

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Answer 4

No mere metaphor can help us grasp the concept of the Trinity. Although the Bible does not mention the word Trinity, there is no doubt it speaks of a triune God. Three persons, one essence. The Roman Catholic Catechism is not the final word on the subject, anyway. The Word of God is. In Chapter 18 of Genesis, the Lord appeared to Abraham as three men. In Genesis Chapter 1, probably the most famous chapter in Scripture, the God who created the heavens and the earth is called "Elohim," a three-part Hebrew name. Later in that same chapter, God, (not gods), said "Let us make man in our image..." He is the God of the universe. He could appear as a pillar of fire, a cloud, or a burning bush. Why would being three in one be so hard for Him? Is there anything God is unable to perform? No. None of the Godhead, which is what the Bible calls the "Trinity" is lesser than the other. They are God. Not gods. Tough to grasp, but when you take into consideration who we are talking about, it is eminently possible with Him.

Answer 5

i dont know.

John 3:16[kjv] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

so when we believe in JESUS we have eternal life.JESUS lived a sinless life and gave up his life as a sacrifice so we can be sin free. Ask JESUS to come into your heart and forgive ur sins and cleanse ur past with his blood.

With a simple prayer like above u can be saved.JESUS loves u and wants u to be saved.

Answer 6

I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God (Father), the only begotten of the father. The believers are the sons of God(Father) by adoption.

When Jesus is referred to as God, he is distinguished from the rest of us (human race) in that he is the only one with the nature of God in him, naturally.

Jesus Christ is God by nature. However, he is not the Father, but Him and the Father share the same nature (God-nature), they are one, in essence and in substance. Just as you and your father share the same nature (Human-nature), so too does Jesus Christ and the Father share the same nature

Answer 7

LOL...uh, yeah, what "RealArsenalFan" wrote - that's pretty much symptomatic of the mental confusion required to deal with this concept along standard Christian lines.