If God created it, why couldn't he FIX it without torturing Jesus? Why punish US for something Adam & Eve did?

Question

We are taught to not blame or punish others for our mistakes, yet we are being punished because Adam ate the apple. It's the SERpents fault, it spoke! I'd like to see one talking!! LOL. Did all animals talk?? If rivers could be turned into blood and a loaf of bread feed many and all those other "proposed" miracles, then God should have fixed the problems "HE" CREATED without torturing an innocent man, especially his own son! God is fair and good, yet millions of people suffer horrible atrocities because some thousands of years ago, someone ate a damn apple!! Sheeeesh!! What a fable!!

Answer 1

That's the problem

difficult to resolve

Answer 2

We aren't in punishment...yet. God offered His Son so we could be free from that eternal damnation. God didn't
tortured His Son, men did. On their own will they hurt Jesus
and called Him names, while some others on their own
will choose to believed Him. Actually, God isn't fair because
if He is, He would have wiped us on the face of the earth
long long time ago and leave us to pay for our sins. But He
offered Jesus so I think that's so wonderful of Him. People
are the one making other people suffer, out of their own
heart and out of their own will. God has told us in the Bible
to love one another and forgive sadly many people chose
otherwise and hurt others. It's not God's fault if you choose
to do otherwise. Oh, it isn't apple by the way =P
=)

Answer 3

to ascertain which you to understand your guy or woman question you're able to turn to the Scriptures for solutions and in case you think that devil is a fallen angel, that's not in the scriptures. One could carry that questioning to the Scriptures with the intention to study it in there. we have not have been given any initiating for the two God or devil. We do, in spite of the incontrovertible fact that, have a checklist of Jesus showing that devil is the father (source) of evil as God is the father (source) of stable. as quickly because it is understood, you may then see that this would nicely be a conflict that replaced into moved onto a decrease airplane so as that it rather is finished. we are waging that conflict and that's the clarification for the introduction of Adam and Eve. They have been created to have little ones and so it replaced into that guy might fall, be offered back, and ought to persist with God in the event that they so chosen.

Answer 4

As ever, like anyone, I can only answer from my perspective based on the model of reality I am experiencing.

There is just one life in the universe. This becomes abundantly clear to anyone who strips away their limited, egoic view of their reality.

If we contemplate deeply what it would be like at the 'beginning' (I use the term loosely) before any experience arose, then eventually a realisation may come that we are everything and nothing simultaneously.

Why is this so? We may realise that to be literally everything, we have to be 'all that is' before any experience. In other words infinite potential. This is because experience arises from relativity - the interplay between 'this' and 'that'. However if there is 'this' and 'that', there must also be 'something else' and if there is 'something else', there must be 'something after that' and so on ad infinitum.

So imagine for example I am holding a book in my hand and in your mind's eye you are looking at it. How do you know it's a book? Besides other things you know it by the space around it - so now you've just created 'space around book'.

The point is once we create something and acknowledge that, we are also creating something relative to it. So to really be everything, we can ONLY be nothing - ie that which comes before anything.

So we are the absolute from which all experience arises. We are beyond definition and this can be experienced by each and everyone of us.

You may then ask, 'but how can there be the absolute now that experience is happening'? This took me a while to figure out. If you imagine we are all waves on an ocean, then for each wave, there is another somewhere else that matches it exactly except it is the 'polar opposite'.

Another way of saying this is that for every peak, there must be a corresponding trough of equal magnitude. For example for there to be 40 degrees centigrade, there has to be minus 40 degrees centigrade.

So every wave (every experience) is being cancelled out by another wave. This leads to the zero sum total of all things - the absolute - which pervades all things.

It also means that 'I' can be the absolute even though thoughts and feelings are arising.

So what is this experience of absolute like and why is it so hard to be aware of it? The point is, it is the total lack of experience to be realised from letting go of all internal identification and efforting.

We all experience this from time to time but as soon as it arises there frequently comes a fear of it. It 'feels' like jumping into a black hole - the abyss.

It signals the 'death' of our identification with the ego which feels like the death of the ego itself (although it is not).

When we loose the fear of this death, what replaces it (at least in my experience) is crystal clear clarity which remains constantly in the background.

I noticed in the beginning that as this state arose, an inner witnesser kept arising asking the question what is going on? who am I? etc etc.

Over time, the inner need to answer these questions dissolves. For me after that there was one question remaining: in this state, how is it decided what action to take next?

This took quite a while for me to answer and I had a great deal of help from spirit.

I was shown that there is a natural energetic flow of the universe and 'I' have a unique path within that flow. Another way of putting it is that the universe flows uniquely through the space that I am.

In order to be in this space of crystal clear clarity (nirvana, enlightenment) all the time, requires complete absence of doubt that 'right action' will happen perfectly when 'I' have let go of all need to shape events and when 'I' have even let go of the 'I' itself.

Once 'I' discovered this, 'I' was able to let go of the 'reins' so to speak. Then there is a response to events based on an authentic choice.

So who is now making the choice? The way it is perceived internally, is that actually 'I' have an absence of choice. When there is no need to choose, the right choice becomes clear

Answer 5

The reason that the world has problems, is that like Adam and Eve, we choose what is good and bad for ourselves, rather than looking to God for guidence as to what is good and bad (Deuteronomy 11:26-28). Eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and bad, was more to do with crossing a line mentially.

As for the snake, it was a cautious creature in the way that it moved (Genesis 3:1), and therefore easy for Satan, who is an invisible fallen angel, to use it (Revelations 12:9). Eve would have been ignorant to deception, and it's anybody's guess as to what she thought to a talking snake.

What Jesus did, was to show us that we need to put God's will before our own. Jesus was the only other perfect person to live, other than Adam and Eve before they sinned. He stayed faithful to God through everything, even when he was tortured and killed (Luke 22:42). In the same way we need to stay faithful to God, except we also get help from the holy spirit to get us through things (Acts 7:55).

Deuteronomy 11:26-28
26 “See, I am putting before YOU today blessing and malediction: 27 the blessing, provided YOU will obey the commandments of Jehovah YOUR God that I am commanding YOU today; 28 and the malediction, if YOU will not obey the commandments of Jehovah YOUR God...

Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made...

Revelations 12:9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth...

Luke 22:42
saying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”

Acts 7:55, 59-60
55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand...59 And they went on casting stones at Stephen as he made appeal and said: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

Answer 6

You should first know that Jesus was not killed. what they have killed was somebody looked like Jesus. Jesus is still a life and will one day descend back to earth, to help the cause of Allah. Allah is very just and does not punish any one for sin/s that he/she does not commit.

Allah forgives to those he wishes without any preconditions. Allah is the one who created the Adam, Jesus and all of us, Allah is able to do what ever he wishes when he wishes how he wishes. He is the almighty the most powerful and the most merciful.

Again do not say that Jesus was son of God. Jesus was not more than a prophet of Allah with Divine message. Jesus conveyed the message to the Jewish although most of them did refuse to obey him.

It is also wrong to say that we are punished every day because Adam ate that tree. if we are punished, we are punished for our sins only.

Please be very mindful when you decide to say something about the prophets of Allah and Allah himself.

May Allah Guide you his real path.

Answer 7

Wonderful question. This question is natural and every christian should ask it at least once in their life time. Biblical traditions will advice you to pray to have belief and to pray god to remove such doubts from you and to become a dumb and to belive in (blind faith!) the book. How pity?

Let us this story of Adam and Eve which is the foundation of all biblical religions(Abrahamic) including Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
First sceintifically it is wrong. Science is truth everyone could agreet to that. From bible you can calculate exactly the time of Adam's creation. It is about 4000 years. It says God created first Adam. How about Dinosaurs ? They were here before 230million years. You can see many such contradictions in bible.
Second, logically just with your simple common sense it is not acceptable. Think of the concept of Satan which is equally powerful as God. Satan has tried to tempt even god it says (Satan tried to tempt Jesus (god in flesh)). How will you belive in such a god? I don't know. What about the questions about many people suffering without any reason? Think of the children born in very poor african countries and suffers till they die starving? Also why god waited till the time of Jesus to reveal the truth and save the people? A thousand of logical questions they cannot answer...

So , wonder how they belive in these religions? They say it clearly , to have faith(blind and dumb faith).

Answer 8

that is a good question,in a lot of minds as I write this. It is a hard subject in the world today,people tend to get very irritated and angry when their faith system is questioned,which to me doesn't make sense. I think that if you live your life with a good heart and even though you will make mistakes as we all do try to learn from them and if you genuinely feel bad and it was not intentional over and over again,you gain the knowledge and wisdom for the future,and whoever you believe is the "main one" in your beliefs will see you as the loving soul you are. If we do not have faith in the higher power than we would have nothing to guide us in through hard times during this life.Its a learning process.

Answer 9

For God's sake, you take everything so literally. Bible, especially Old Testament, was written thousands of years ago. I like world mythology, especially ancient Greek myths. But it does not mean that I have to believe that Zeus could turn into a bull and impregnate women, or critisize Greek gods for not helping people.

Answer 10

They were the first to sin. Do you think it would have stopped there? Their offspring would continue in it. Remember that Abel killed Cain. This was in his heart to do it.
The sin factor had to be taken care of once and for all. God already had a plan to take care of it.

God the Father is the only one who can do it. He sent the Word to earth to do just that because He loved us. Why He loves us I'll never know, but I am glad that He does.

The Word became flesh and lived among us for one purpose only, and that was to take on the sins of the world as an atonement (i.e., to cover or cancel) for humanity's sin. When I accept the Word (Jesus), the blood of Jesus is my covering that allows me to come before my Father in heaven clean as a whistle. It is the righteousness of Jesus that makes me righteous in God's sight.

I think people can't believe because they try to comprehend with the human mind, and it just isn't going to happen. That is why God said that you must have faith to please Him.

It is His prerogative to do whatever He wants. May God help your unbelief before its too late.

The fruit mentioned in the Garden was not named. Man added the word "apple."

Answer 11

The Passion of Jesus shows us the seriousness of sin not just original but our actual sins as well. We did this to Jesus through our sins.
The passion of Jesus shows us also the great love God has for us He chose to do this for out of love and He spent all His blood for us.
This is real and true love. Total selfgiving.
Jesus was not forced to suffer for us He did it out free will and love for us.
Whould you take a lethal injection for a condemned prisoner?