Have you ever considered the Second Law of Thermodynamics in relation to abiogenesis?

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I Wiki'd this

"Intelligent design proponent Stuart Pullen challenged the concept of abiogenesis on the grounds that the creation of life from nonlife would violate the above law, since creation of living organisms must be associated with a decrease in the entropy of the system.[4] This challenge has been refuted on the grounds that the Earth is not an isolated system, but an open system receiving energy from the Sun, and that the time scales in which such large systems reach equilibrium can be very long, during which time local fluctuations in entropy are perfectly feasible under the second law."

"It is also true to say that the analog of 'entropy' with 'disorder' is useful, but not entirely correct. For example, proponents of Intelligent design have been known to argue that a car, if left untended, will rust and thereby increase the amount of disorder. However 'disorder' in this case is entirely subjective; with the view that a new car is more ordered than a rusty car being anthropocentric. Chemically, the complexity of the material of the car is spontaneously increasing as the iron in the bodywork oxidizes to form rust."

Answer 1

There you go ,using logic again.....Haven't you figured out that logic only works on people who actually have functioning brains.That rules out most of ID's proponents

Answer 2

Sorry, your question is?

Actually, I'm not sure the refutation holds true. It only matters it being an open system if the decrease in entropy on the Earth causes an increase in entropy elsewhere in the system. I'm not sure, and would love you to explain, how the formation of life on earth from non-life, and its resultant decrease in entropy, would cause an increase in entropy elsewhere. The second law does allow for local fluctuations in the level of entropy ONLY IF the total entropy in the system still increases. There cannot be any decrease in the total entropy of the system without violating the second law.

BTW, wikipedia is only people's opinions and is uncredited. So, it cannot be taken as the final arbiter, just a good point for starting from.

Answer 3

This argument derives from a faux effect of the 2nd regulation. If it have been valid, mineral crystals and snowflakes might additionally be impossible, by fact they, too, are complicated structures that form spontaneously from disordered areas. the 2nd regulation certainly states that the finished entropy of a closed gadget (one that no capability or count leaves or enters) won't be able to shrink. Entropy is a actual theory often casually defined as ailment, even though it differs severely from the conversational use of the observe. greater considerable, although, the 2nd regulation facilitates areas of a gadget to shrink in entropy as long as different areas adventure an offsetting strengthen. for that reason, our planet as an entire can strengthen greater complicated by fact the sunlight pours warmth and lightweight onto it, and the greater desirable entropy linked with the sunlight's nuclear fusion greater desirable than rebalances the scales. basic organisms can gasoline their upward thrust in direction of complexity by eating different styles of existence and nonliving materials.

Answer 4

Rust does not increase the functionality of the car. it is not subjective to say that cars decay, as do other things left out, exposed to elements. I see what they are saying, but the increase or decrease of order is NOT subjective....

Answer 5

don't try and use scientific reasoning to talk to christians. they have made enemies with science, because it proves everything wrong that they believe.

they like to pretend that pre homo-sapiens didn't exist, and that dinosaur fossils are make believe. maybe these evidences were made up by mr. rogers in la la land?

go ahead christians, give me a bunch of thumbs down for hearing the truth!!!

Answer 6

Interesting take on the composition of the older car. I'd not thought about it that way.

Answer 7

I guess I never HAVE considered it. Have you consider that life may have been delivered here from outer space? Or have you considered the Fifth Law of IRDGAC?

Answer 8

Red herring.

Answer 9

I've heard every claim on the following list:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

Answer 10

When I became born again, the ability to process complex thought had to die. Sorry!