Does all complex life require a Designer?

Question

"All complex life requires a designer. God is a complex living being. God must have been designed."

Logical flaw?

Answer 1

Logical flaws tend not to stop overzealous radicals.

Answer 2

PLEASE LEAVE LOGIC OUT OF RELIGION AND LEAVE RELIGION OUT OF SCIENCE!

While Einstein once said: "God does not play dice." this was countered by Bohr with "Stop telling God how to behave!"

Belief that an Entity is responsible for all the mystery in the universe is quite valid. Many notable Scientists have been religious.

Whatever you believe it's a chicken and egg problem, either something sprang from nothing or the initial part just was or something outside the universe is somehow introduced.

Science simply does not intend though to deal with such things. Science cant "disprove" God - It investigates "how" the universe works NOT why or who might be pulling the strings.

Oh and your logic is bad. God need not be complex, at least any more then it'd be in the form of a man(or Giant Spaghetti Monster). A similar argument was made for the need for luminiferous aether for light to behave as a wave by Nikola Tesla long after it'd been replaced by a better model.

PS: For thermodynamics to hold whatever the unverse started out like, it had a VERY low entropy (The disorder or compexity of a closed system can only increase over time). Maybe God is simple! God damn it* - Paris Hilton better not be God.

*Used literally here and for irony

Answer 3

As my preacher at church says: If we were to even gaze upon God we would crumble into a million peices because of how great he is. Making arguements like this does not make me think that there isn't a God because I have experienced God in my life and once that happens you know there is a God. Christians answer questions about God to the best of their ability but being a christian means knowing that God is complex and that we don't know everything about God. We just trust though that God is real and will take care of us and that the answer to our questions will be found when we do reach heaven. We can only go as far as to explain God through his word, the bible, his works in our own lives and how he has changed us. However to ask us to explain specific questions about where God came from, etc. would be asking us to say we know everything. God says he is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. This says he is outside of time, however to explain that to anthiest is something that is hard to do because everything has to be on a time clock. However to say that there is not a God is saying to me that you have been to all over the world and to all ends of the universe and can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is not real. I have not seen that happen. In fact I have not seen evolution proven. Everything that scientists use to try to prove there is no God can only come down to theory, so how is it that you have more wisdom than a christian? Could it be possible that you do not know everything yourself? Could it be possible that athiest are wrong? If you believe in science you are open to possibilities right? So if you have not searched the world over and the universe to prove that there is not a God, then isn't there a possibility that there is?

Answer 4

As a deductive syllogism there is no logical flaw whatsoever in that argument.

Christians believe the first one because they're ignorant (it actually isn't true), so the only thing they could attack would be the second one - so you'll probably get responses that god is not a living being, etc.

However, most christians seem to have no grasp of logic and may try to attack the conclusion without realizing that it necessarily follows the premises. But such is the nature of delusion.

Answer 5

Each one of us is made up of different quality and characteristic, distinctively as our own like our fingerprints no matter how our DNA is connected to our ancestors or parents. So people as a whole is one complex being and we are the complexities of all that is perfect. A composition of odds and even, of straight and crooked, of round and squares, of all colors that make us interestingly both flawless and logically flawed. God may have made us unique from each other but he allowed our individualistic nature to mix with one another and perhaps we shall find it one day to make the flaw harmonious enough to live in peace.

Answer 6

Nope. If complexity denotes design, and every complex things therefore requires a creator, and the God of the Bible, being able to create scads of life, the universe and everything from nothing, would be the most complex thing one could conceive of, and would therefore DEFINITELY require a creator.

But then that creator would require a creator... and so would that creator... etc etc etc back and back and back.

The first cause isn't the first cause. There was no first cause.

Answer 7

I don't think so. when you get into philosiphy and theology it becomes hard. God was not designed, He just always was...seems impossible to understand, but you have to admit that when it comes to a God who does live in time and space it is very hard to comprehend who or what He is. The only way to explain God is in simple human terms. That is when it gets tricky because you cannot explain something you really don't understand. Complex life in time and space needs to be made by God, but God was not made. You see, what God makes is not god, but something kind of like God in the sense that it has life. Therefore when God begets He makes God (I'm talking about Jesus-one and the same). But God has no sexual relations. Therefore who made God? Spirits cannot have sexual relations! Was He made? Then by who? He just always was and always is...

Answer 8

The logical flaw is expecting to understand God

Answer 9

God was designed to answer things that seemed to have no answer. The age of proven logic is never flawed.

Answer 10

I asked this same question earlier today in about 8 times as many words. The complexity of my question is christian-logic proof that my question is God and it created your question.

Answer 11

everything on earth didn't exist by itself. they are created by their own Creator. depends on your belief, there is GOD who created all living n non-living things. if u said that God must have been designed, then there is always something superior to God which designed him, rite? still, there is always a designer o everything and that is GOD. no matter how u think about it, there should be something that is the most superior of everything - the point of how everything began in the first placed. it's God - the most superior of everything. nothing can exist by itself. human are bound to believe in something superior to them in that they pinned all their hopes to. that's human nature created by the God and no one can deny that.

i know there are people who believes in no God. it's obvious that nothing can exist just like that - we're all created by God and of course controlled by Him. for me, God is not a living being like any of us. how could God be compared to any of the living things @ living being on Earth when He is the most superior of all?He is not a mass nor something we could think of, yet that doesn't mean that He didn't exist rite? although we can't see him, that doesn't mean that he didn't exist - simply as the air or the oxygen. we can't see the air, but that definitely doesn't mean that there's no air, isn't it?

if u don't believe in God, then try searching for Him. u'll find the truth.