Groliers encyclopedia on "Incarnation" tell us that
Incarnation denotes the embodiment of a deity in human form. The idea occurs frequently in MYTHOLOGY. For Christians, the incarnation is a central dogma referring to the belief that the eternal son of God, the second person of the Trinity, became man in the person of Jesus Christ. The incarnation was defined as a doctrine only after LONG STRUGGLES by early church councils. The Council of Nicea (325) defined the deity of Christ against Arianism; the Council of Constantinople (381) defined the full humanity of the incarnate Christ against Apollinarianism; the Council of Ephesus (431) defined the unity of Christ's person against Nestorianism; and the Council of Chalcedon (451) defined the two natures of Christ, divine and human, against Eutyches."
Almost 500 years right! Note that the apostles, their children, and their generations were too ignorant to recognize this existence of Jesus' "incarnation." Can you beat that?
2007-05-11 05:16:52 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
What I have cited are historical facts and records. If you are going to say its in the Bible, then, ask your "Intelligent Mind" why it took them so long to implement the dogma? Why didnt Jesus just complete his Mission Fully? Why must he leave it to ordinary people to gauge and decide, and more so after 500 years? You guys must be kidding !
2007-05-11 05:22:34 · update #1
The Jesus who said I And The Father Are One also said "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn.14:28).
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
This was not what Jesus said, but John.
2007-05-11 05:27:43 · update #2
"the father and I are one"
"Before abraham was, I am"
"In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word became flesh"
He healed the sick, gave sight to the blind and raised the dead.
Jesus
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2007-05-11 05:21:07 · answer #1 · answered by Jeanmarie 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Your question (not really a question as much as it is a statement) is loaded with incorrect, out of context information and presuppositions.
It is NOT logically correct to assume that because the inexhaustive listing of formal Church Councils that you describe above mean that the Trinity was not accepted until 500 years into Church history...
The reverse is true. What is logically and historically obvious is that the fact that they were HAVING these debates at Nicea... is that the IDEA of the Incarnation existed PRIOR to the coucils. Your assumption is that is implicit in your formulation is that there was no IDEA of the Trinity or generally accepted doctrine of it prior to the councils. This is completely incorrect. Read the early church fathers. Read the New Testament... Jesus was put to death for claiming to be the equal of God.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are described throughout the New Testament, and even appear together.
Read the Apostle's Creed which probably dates back to about 100-150 AD.
The REASON that there were struggles and Councils is BECAUSE there were ideas circulation around CHALLENGING the doctrine...
Your position as outlined does not stand to logical or historical scrutiny.
John was an eye-witness to Jesus, his life, ministry and Resurrection... FYI
2007-05-11 05:26:59 · answer #2 · answered by doc in dallas 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Why do not you study what some differing encyclopedias ought to assert on the issue? It has continuously been around, and over the years, has developed and been sophisticated. it quite is a theory that maintains to be in debate relating to the character of God, and how the daddy, Son, and Holy Spirit variety, and in what techniques they're a similar. maximum folk, and probable which includes your self, do not even understand what the communicate is approximately. people who're "adversarial" declare the Holy Spirit isn't a guy or woman, yet they can't outline what a guy or woman is, or maybe how the daddy is a guy or woman while the daddy is defined as being, Himself, a Spirit. And, as they say, you could not practice a damaging. you could not practice the Holy Spirit isn't a guy or woman. Can it for this reason be shown the Holy Spirit IS a "guy or woman"? by making use of what criterion? Can a "non-guy or woman" talk? Or can merely a "guy or woman" talk? If the Holy Spirit is yet a power or stress that flows from the daddy, then how do you clarify Jesus pertaining to how he got here from the daddy in a lot a similar style? And, can a "stress" talk? not so undemanding as you have theory. yet you're entitled on your ideals, in spite of any severe thinking on your section. .
2017-01-09 15:50:21 · answer #3 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God will do as he will, and no mortal will ever understand what
His plan or purpose is regarding anything unless they have a personal revelation from God. The first time that happens is when they repent of their wickedness and get right with God through the blood of Jesus Christ.
The puny intellect of man needs the Spirit of the One True and Living God to elevate its understanding to receive any supernatural truth. If you get right with God and ask Him the same question He may give you an answer or He may not.
He will only give you what you need to know this side of eternity to prepare you for death and the life to come.
2007-05-11 05:24:05 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
The official defining of doctrine is not when they figured it out but when it had been believed for so long, they decided to officially define it.
The understanding of the trinity and the two natures of Christ are spoken of by Paul often. Christians knew and believed this for centuries before it became official.
2007-05-11 05:22:10 · answer #5 · answered by Misty 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Lol!! did you not notice that each time the Church was responding to heresy in their definitions. How can one surmise from facts that the Church did not believe in the Trinity before it was defined in response to heresies. The Church certainly did from the beginning as Scriptures and all of Sacred Tradition attest.
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
2007-05-11 05:39:01 · answer #6 · answered by cristoiglesia 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Ummm...who do you think it was speaking in Genesis 1. "Let US make man in OUR image and in OUR likeness." (Plural) There are many other places in the Bible that don't say the actual word "trinity" but you can clearly see it's their. I believe the beginning was long before all those councils came into play.
2007-05-11 05:24:59 · answer #7 · answered by Truth 2 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Friend, when God put Himself into your thoughts, the devil twisted it to the low level you have sunk. Think back to when you originally had any question about God....at that time He was calling you. He made you aware of Him, and instead of pursuing it objectively by reading His word, or seeking other Godly people, the devil caused you to doubt...;it's not too late. God called you and will not withdraw that call until you die without Him. Pursue truth without contempt in your heart, and He will reveal Himself to you. You'll never regret it. Your current path leads to condemnation. Here's a little prayer for you:
Lord, its obvious you got this man's attention. Please open his eyes and his heart to you, and let Him try you on for size. We all know those you call, you catch, and you love us all. In Jesus name, Amen
2007-05-11 05:24:48 · answer #8 · answered by Lazarus 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
It has taken years to prove the existence of many things throughout the world but you believe they do or did exist what's so different about this???
2007-05-11 05:24:10 · answer #9 · answered by kristin747 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
As we go on in time, then we learn more.
Why did Jesus get crucified? Blasphemy...claiming to be God. And then the empty tomb... enough proof for me.
2007-05-11 05:21:30 · answer #10 · answered by RB 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋